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    Good and Bad Practices in Web Graphic Designing

    Hello Sitepointers,

    I am seeking your valuable help in getting links on "Good and Bad Practices in Web Designing"

    Please let me know where can I get this information.

    Thanks in advance

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    What are you referring too? There are many aspects to web design..

    Codeing
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    Web Graphic Designing

    Well Chuckie, It is for web graphic designing,

    thanks
    Nitin Kulkarni, Pune, India

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    1 - too many colours. Quiite simply 3 colours should be a good limit (and their matching shades) When you start having too many colours it just clutters and confuses.

    2 - frames. Don't, unless you REALLY have to.
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    Do a search on Amazon and check these books out:

    Web Style Guide: Basic Design Principles for Creating Web Sites, Second Edition

    Designing Web Usability : The Practice of Simplicity

    There are quite a few graphic designers out there "hostile" to some of the ideas presented but the web is a medium to move information back and forth quickly, and efficiently either between people or machines. How "pretty" the pages are is irrelevant ... how "useful" they are is critical.

    Good Luck!

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    Here's two resources

    Hey Nikul...

    For a good idea of WHAT to do, check out the Yale Web Style Guide

    For good ideas of what NOT to do, be sure to check out Web Pages that Suck

    Also, there's an excellent book about usability called "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve Krug I believe...I've got it in my library here and it's a great read. You can find it at Amazon if you like.

    Cheers,

    Steve

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    Thanks friends.

    Thanks to all for the suggestions...

    Best regards
    Nitin Kulkarni, Pune, India

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    forgot about "Web Pages that Suck" ... definitely get that one ... knowing 'what not to do' is in many cases better than knowing 'what to do' because most people can agree on 'what not to do'.

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    I came across this the other day and thought it was very interesting, although the testing methodology wasn't very clear:

    http://psychology.wichita.edu/optimalweb/default.htm


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    Originally posted by Maelstrom
    2 - frames. Don't, unless you REALLY have to.
    I don't want to start any arguements here, but what does everyone seem to have against frames?

    Properly used, coded, etc. frames can cut down on load times by keeping your big ol' graphics from being reloaded (remeber those of us that still can't get broadband?)

    Take a look at This Site. While not the best in terms of visual appeal, I use 3 frames. The menu on the left, the top bar, and the area where everything is displayed.

    Is this a bad design?
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    Properly used, coded, etc. frames can cut down on load times by keeping your big ol' graphics from being reloaded (remeber those of us that still can't get broadband?)
    That's what cache is for. Or big ol' graphics should only be on sites that target broadband anyway.

    But I do agree that properly used and coded frames can have its place. Its just rare.
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    Originally posted by rreames


    That's what cache is for. Or big ol' graphics should only be on sites that target broadband anyway.

    But I do agree that properly used and coded frames can have its place. Its just rare.
    I used to have the same knee-jerk anti-frames reaction, stemming from when they were memory hogs and implimented poorly by evil web designers...

    Recently, I did some work for a department at NDSU... the client wanted frames, and I thought it made sense for what she wanted to do; keep the nav visible at all times, regardless of how tall the page was. Then I actually went to develop it. She wanted some insane javascript rollover menus and didn't realize how dificult it would be for her to continue once I was done...

    Frames unfortunately add a level of complexity to everything in the site; how you create (and inevitably limit) your UI design (especially if you want to do anything complex with image slicing) how you link, etc.

    As you can see , I didn't use frames. But wow, they've mucked with the site since I gave it to them...
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    Properly used, coded, etc. frames can cut down on load times by keeping your big ol' graphics from being reloaded
    Not so. If referenced the same throughout, the big ole graphics will be loaded once in both cases.
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    Bad Practices - messing up or placing up content/graphics at irrelevant places or at places where they dont look good. ..
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    Wink Advantage Frames

    Not so. If referenced the same throughout, the big ole graphics will be loaded once in both cases.
    Cache may not reload the big ol' graphics but it must make some sort of server connection to check that the file hasn't changed or if it still exists. The advantage of frames is that you can JavaScript your images calls just like a mouseOver event (ie instantly).

    Frames are one of HTML's most useful features.
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    Frames are one of HTML's most badly designed and ill thought out features... I don't know what Netscape's engineers were thinking when they come up with the idea but we're still living with the fallout 6 or 7 years on

    [frames break the most fundamental concept of the web - that of hyperlinked pagse - by allowing a document to consist of more than one page all at once]

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    hyperlinks can still be used

    frames break the most fundamental concept of the web - that of hyperlinked pagse - by allowing a document to consist of more than one page all at once
    hyperlinks can still be used and if the webmaster of a site that uses frames wants to enable you to link to each page then he do so with a little JavaScript wizardry.

    One great feature of Frames is that you can keep javascript variables hidden in your navigation frame and keep track of users(members) on your entire site. You can also pass those variable back and forth between other frames.
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    why do sites that talk about usability always have the most ugly, bland and boring layouts? don't tell me that usability can't look good, a list apart pulls it off quite nicely. the others need to get a clue, especially the link in marco's post. they want to sell interface design with a layout like that...

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    bad
    1. frames

    good
    1.justifying text in paragraphs

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    Not all sites that promote usability are bland and boring, just like all sites that do not are exciting and fresh. If the intenet is to display information and nothing more then display information and nothing more. If the site is to wow with fanciness then wow with fanciness. If the site is to do both then do both. If I am looking for a how-to I just want a simple text document of the how-to. If I want to see the "shocked site of the day" then give me whiz-bangs.

    eh, anyway...
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