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    Adobe BrowserLab is launched

    Adobe BrowserLab provides web designers exact renderings of web pages in multiple browsers & operating systems

    https://browserlab.adobe.com

    Dreamweaver CS4 integration is available.

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    On Adobe's lab pages it claims that this product only supports the following...

    Firefox 2.X and 3.X (Windows XP and Mac OS X)
    Internet Explorer 6.X and 7.X (Windows XP)
    Safari 3.X (Mac OS X)

    Unfortunately its browser support just isn't even close enough to be a serious replacement for virtual machines or for those who simply install individual products and use one of the "lesser" emulator models such as IETester which will do the job to a point.

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    Signed up for an account and did my first test.

    Considering all the hype on twitter about the launch - I thought there would have been a delay of some sort, but no, it was surprisingly fast.. Hope it stays that way :-)

    No test for IE8 though - wonder if that's coming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    On Adobe's lab pages it claims that this product only supports the following...

    Firefox 2.X and 3.X (Windows XP and Mac OS X)
    Internet Explorer 6.X and 7.X (Windows XP)
    Safari 3.X (Mac OS X)

    Unfortunately its browser support just isn't even close enough to be a serious replacement for virtual machines or for those who simply install individual products and use one of the "lesser" emulator models such as IETester which will do the job to a point.
    D'oh! Sounds like a major SNAFU to me. Though to their credit, it IS technically a beta after all... (should really be an alpha if it doesn't cover all the modern rendering engines though).

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    D'oh is right!!!!!
    Last edited by RetroNetro; Jul 9, 2009 at 23:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Schulz View Post
    D'oh! Sounds like a major SNAFU to me. Though to their credit, it IS technically a beta after all... (should really be an alpha if it doesn't cover all the modern rendering engines though).
    Well it is Adobe we are talking about, half of us will have probably retired before it finally is something worth using on a full time basis. Take the shambles over a 64bit flash player or flash support from Adobe for mobile devices like the iPhone, talking about missing the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPartch View Post
    D'oh is right!!!!!
    I did say in my post - 'I wonder how long it would last' :-)

    A bit of hype and it's over capacity...

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    I hope they do something similar for mobile phones
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divisive Cotton View Post
    I hope they do something similar for mobile phones
    Not going to happen, too many browsers and renderers to even be able to get close to supporting everything. The sad fact is currently, developing for mobile devices is next to impossible for 100% durability as none of the browser makers for mobile devices follow the standards effectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    The sad fact is currently, developing for mobile devices is next to impossible for 100% durability as none of the browser makers for mobile devices follow the standards effectively.
    Target opera, the BB browser, and webkit and you have a large portion of the market that actually uses their mobile browsers. Maybe mobile IE too. And I don't consider opera and webkit to be slouches in the standards department.

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    vgarcia, sorry to disappoint but neither webkit, opera, fennec or mobile IE follow the standards for mobile devices, the following A List Apart article explains the common problem (and their solution isn't even an accurate fix anymore).

    http://www.alistapart.com/articles/r...le-stylesheet/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    Not going to happen, too many browsers and renderers to even be able to get close to supporting everything. The sad fact is currently, developing for mobile devices is next to impossible for 100% durability as none of the browser makers for mobile devices follow the standards effectively.
    I don't know what happen but I have to disagree with you. Adobe already offers support for creating web content for mobile when you buy one of their software kits. Seeing what they've done with Acrobat (Acrobat.com is great to share and create PDFs from scratch, and virtually meet with everyone while correcting a PDF), and considering that they already sell a tool for this, I wouldn't be suprised if this site, if it is finished, does cover mobile media.

    @Nadia: are you saying that you created a bit of hype on your own so the site would be down and crowded?
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    Quote Originally Posted by molona View Post
    Adobe already offers support for creating web content for mobile when you buy one of their software kits.
    I agree, even with dreamweaver, there is built in support for this. That's why I also believe that they will offer more options with this online checker at some point in time.

    Dreamwever even uses WebKit as their internal rendering engine now, so much better than it used to be.

    @Nadia: are you saying that you created a bit of hype on your own so the site would be down and crowded?
    Yeah, I had a secret motive, that way I could test a few sites of my own before the site went down for over usage :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by molona View Post
    Adobe already offers support for creating web content for mobile when you buy one of their software kits.
    What you are failing to understand is that even Adobe's "mobile kit" only works on a selected amount of handsets. Because there are thousands of handsets each with their own unique web browsers (excluding those who use one of the predefined mobile renderering engines) support for all of them at this current stage is a physical impossibility. You seem to be under some illusion that DreamWeaver or any of Adobe's products are well equipped enough to be able to serve the majority of mobile devices correctly (It is the same mistake to make as claiming that a WYSIWYG editor will magically produce code that will work browser wide for everyone) when the truth is quite the opposite, as mentioned within the A List Apart article which highlights a common problem in the way mobile renderers treat the standards. The simple fact of the matter is that trying to target mobile browser's is not something any software in production can currently handle as the browser situation is too diverse and full of turmoil, think the browser wars (IE VS Netscape) except with about 500 different browsers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDawson View Post
    vgarcia, sorry to disappoint but neither webkit, opera, fennec or mobile IE follow the standards for mobile devices, the following A List Apart article explains the common problem (and their solution isn't even an accurate fix anymore).

    http://www.alistapart.com/articles/r...le-stylesheet/
    Note how I was talking about browser targeting rather than standards. Personally I think the standards we have for mobile devices have been outstripped by the capabilities in most decent smartphones available today. Yes targeting specific browsers sucks and isn't ideal but if everyone hitting my site from a mobile device is using an iPhone or blackberry I'm going to have a hard time justifying spending extra time on lesser devices (maybe a plain-jane stripped version for all other devices), especially when the entirety of mobile browsing is a fairly small percentage of overall web traffic.

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    That is true, however browser targeting only acts as a quick fix as even though the iPhone currently holds as the market leader with projects by other browser makers to complete with the device (and we all know how volitile the mobile phone industry is) it is only a matter of time before we end right back where we started with a huge split with multiple devices in use (as before the "killer" cell phone).

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