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    I suggest you to use wordpress too. In my opinion it's the best CMS at this time. You can find SEO wordpress theme and knowledge about wordpress more on from justintadlock Hope this help

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    You better go with a CMS as you do not have much programming background. There is no other solution as you cannot hire people as well. But even a CMS implementation in a short period of time is a huge learning curve for some one with no or little programming knowledge and with a membership system the security would be a big challenge to solve. So I'd rather suggest hire help and next time try to quote a better price that would cover everything from design, to programing even if you have to hire someone else to do it. That way you also would not get in to trouble with your clients and your clients will have a better website and they would give you more work in the future.

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    I would definitely go with a cms, in fact I almost don't see a reason to not use a cms for any site these days.

    I prefer drupal, it is probably the most flexible. Out of the box it can look great, if you just get a theme from somewhere.

    Joomla really seams more difficult to me even though most people seem to think otherwise. I started with drupal and it was super easy to get the basics, of course me starting with drupal is probably why joomla seems harder.

    I am starting a learning drupal blog for beginners, its on wordpress lol caus im trying to get into wordpress a little more. Its probably not ready for you but by next week it should have some good info on it.

    Regardless of which one you choose you should definitely pick some form of cms.

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    We make community sites using XLsuite

    http://liveinmyneighbouhood.com has a whole network of them

    most of what you're asking for is out of the box with the "livein" site or the "tribeXL" skin

    check out the suites you can install (no plugin hunting required)

    http://xlsuite.com/suiteshop

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    Quote Originally Posted by artcoder View Post
    Joomla seems like the right CMS for this type of project. But to theme Joomla with the right look and feel, you need to be comfortable building webpages from scratch as well as some familiarity with PHP. For all those advanced functionality, you need some experience finding, configuring, installing and working with Joomla plugins. And more than likely, your client will want some special functionality that is not found in any plugins and you will need to customize the PHP code of the more closely related plugin.
    Absolutely, depending on what the customer wants, often Joomla or Drupal can contain far MORE than the customer needs, and when it comes to customization, the amount of work required can be a real time waster, so it is also important to look for specific solutions to meet the customers needs. Sometimes an "all in one" solution can be inferior to putting together the needed parts, which may be small.

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    Typically, most of the time, I would start off by playing with Wordpress. Once you're comfortable then you probably could proceed to Drupal or Joomla which is slightly more comprehensive.

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    Wordpress = easy to build plugins and extend != easy to troubleshoot core bugs (automattic worthless, expert core programmers virtually non-existent)
    Joomla != easy to build plugins and extend = easy to troubleshoot core bugs (core group on top of bugs)
    Drupal = moderately easy to build plugins and extend != easy to troubleshoot core bugs (no core group, features before fixes)

    Costs:

    Wordpress = $/2
    Joomla = $
    Drupal = $$

    Community Support (people that have knowledge, experts on a forum):

    Wordpress = very very low
    Joomla = High
    Drupal = low to medium

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    Please also add that Drupal wins lots of Web Awards where Wordpress and Joomla are also present. Thanks.
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    I am actually in a similar predicament for a site my friends and I want to do. We need to do it in a week, so we're not hand-coding, and someone recommended Joomla.
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    You might consider drupal as well. We've had good luck with it. And not too tough to expand an its functionality.
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    Horses for courses really.

    Wordpress can do all the things you need, and has ready made plug ins.
    Joomla requires a steeper learning curve and is more complex.

    Best of luck whichever you decide.

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    Joomla is just fine. Why? Because Wordpress is not a CMS, is a blog with CMS capabilities. With joomla you'll have thousands of free plugin and modules and the support is great. Good luck!

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    True, Wordpress was originally designed as a blogging platform, but using the many themes that are available: http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/ it can be customised to look like however the user wants - and many people do use it just as they would a CMS.

    Joomla is a true CMS: http://www.joomla.org/

    Make the best choice for your needs

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    Well, jumping into this topic at a pretty late time...

    You should have some customized for you. You don't need something expensive, just something to suit your needs.

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    Having built my own systems from the ground up while also using WordPress for others sites, I always tell people that a custom-designed CMS is the way to go - just as long as you can do it.

    By coding yourself, you can make sure that everything, such as database requests, are as efficient as possible. The better written your site, even with tons of 'modules', the more your server can handle and the smoother it typically comes off to the user.

    As a benchmark, one site that I built from the ground up can handle about 200K visitors per day with another 8 million database requests from offsite embeds on a single dual-processor server. This same server setup can only handle about 60K visitors per day (with NO extra database requests) with a site running WordPress that has about 8 plug-ins running.

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    What do you guys think of Dreamweaver extensions like the ones from WebAssist as an alternative to CMS and hand-coding?

    I've been developing for around a year and am still pretty slow at writing my own code. So I still need some "training wheels" while I am getting up to speed.

    Going with a CMS seems like a no-brainer, but I'm kind of scared off by all of the include files. I created a Drupal test site and it had 3,000 files right out of the box. Doesn't that affect the performance of the site? Or is it not a big deal whether a site is "lightweight"?

    I've been working with the WebAssist extensions in Dw for a little while now. They're kind of clunky and have some bug issues, but the code they produce is only about as messy as what you get with built-in Dw behaviors.

    Has anybody worked with both WebAssist and a CMS? Any preference or advice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantera25 View Post
    What do you guys think of Dreamweaver extensions like the ones from WebAssist as an alternative to CMS and hand-coding?
    Awful. That sort of thing should be poked with a long stick for amusement purposes, but nothing else.

    Quote Originally Posted by cantera25 View Post
    I created a Drupal test site and it had 3,000 files right out of the box. Doesn't that affect the performance of the site? Or is it not a big deal whether a site is "lightweight"?
    No, the total number of files has no effect on the performance of the CMS. The system won't be loading all of those 3000 files on each page load.

    Some CMS's come with a built in caching system which loads the individual pages straight from raw HTML files anyway, so in that situation they'll generally be just as quick as a plain static site. Some other CMS's like WordPress have plugins available which allow you to add that sort of functionality to the system if you choose to. The difference in load times on a well setup server is apparently negligible though.

    It's important to note that almost all major websites are CMS driven. If there were performance issues there then they probably wouldn't be using them.

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    Ryan - thanks for the reply.

    For the Dw extensions, is there a technical deficiency that makes them bad? Is it bad code, poor security, etc.? Is the same thing true for built-in Dreamweaver behaviors, or is it the extensions specifically that are the problem?

    (I'm not trying to contradict or argue -- I really want to know so I don't take the wrong path in learning to build sites.)

    Also, when you say almost all major websites are CMS driven, do you mean they use frameworks like Drupal/Joomla, or do you just mean they are database-driven with a CMS interface? In other words, does open-source CMS outnumber custom/commercial CMS on large sites nowadays?

    Thanks again
    Last edited by cantera25; May 25, 2009 at 01:28. Reason: clarified CMS type comparison

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantera25 View Post
    For the Dw extensions, is there a technical deficiency that makes them bad? Is it bad code, poor security, etc.? Is the same thing true for built-in Dreamweaver behaviors, or is it the extensions specifically that are the problem?
    Bad code. AFAIK there shouldn't be any security problems though.

    There are many advantages to working with CMS's. The main thing that I prefer, is that the data is all stored in a database, so keeping backups is easy. Plus you can edit the site no matter where you are in the world.

    But the main reason for my comment above was poor code.

    Anything which outputs the code for an entire site is bound to have deficiencies. I wrote a program which does just that a while ago, but I had to make a lot of shortcuts coding wise to make it work and it doesn't have as much flexibility as Dreamweaver (reducing functionality of the system makes handling the coding side of things a LOT easier). Since Dreamweaver is so powerful (bloated?) they've had to make even more shortcuts coding wise to make the system work correctly than I did.


    Quote Originally Posted by cantera25 View Post
    Also, when you say almost all major websites are CMS driven, do you mean they use frameworks like Drupal/Joomla, or do you just mean they are database-driven with a CMS interface? In other words, does open-source CMS outnumber custom/commercial CMS on large sites nowadays?
    I was referring to anything which updates it's content via a web based editor.

    The most popular CMS is WordPress (about 0.8% of all web pages use it according to Google). But I'd guess the thousands of custom CMS's used by some of the biggest websites on the net would make up a large proportion of the remaining 99%+. That's just a guess though, I have no real reason for thinking that other than gut instinct.

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    Two other options which you may consider;
    1. If you know basic html/css, download one of the many freely available templates, and edit using an editor (Nvu, Dreamweaver, etc.).
    2. If you have no knowledge of coding (and don't want to. ) You could use an automated web designer that creates templates for WordPress Blogs, Joomla or Drupal templates. See: http://www.artisteer.com/

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    I forgot to mention the one thing that Drupal is good at as versus the others. If you plan on building a site that presents lots of different GUIs to the user then Drupal wins hands down. Programatically setting up an application for user interaction is fairly trivial.

    Doing this in Joomla is difficult at best because of the components and module architecture which means lots and lots of coding for even the simplest of GUI interaction. Doing it in Wordpress is a mess because of the restrictions of content labeling (posts or pages nothing else) which exposes it weaknesses as a community framework.

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    From my experience I would recommend WordPress for any small to medium business. It is the easiest system to train and empower people to do their own updates and has the user-friendliest technical updates. One user commented here that WordPress forum support is low. Their support strength lies in the frequency in updates (they listen to their users & testers), user-friendliness of available documentation (http://wordpress.tv/) and the good support from the plugin and theme creators.

    Can WordPress support your 7 requirements?
    1) Front Web page (member login / registration / news / feature topics - this sounds like CMS to me!)

    WordPress: Yes - Plugins available to further enhance roles e.g. http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/...ccess-manager/

    2) Calendar of events (editable) for group flyins or activities (I assume there is a decent module for this)

    WordPress: Yes - e.g. http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/...php?q=calendar (Take your pick)

    3) Tabbed or linked pages to

    -Bios of club members (based from the mySQL database?) This one is where I begin to get lost on what the CMS will do for me. If I want to have a page available only to members which show Bios information (with image etc) - can this be done with CMS and a bit of PHP / MySQL? I would like it to be automated when a user logs on but not sure if possible)

    See WordPress BuddyPress solution (http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/buddypress/) which is aimed for Social Networking type sites or
    see also:
    http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/extended-profile/
    http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/register-plus/

    4) Forum (phpBB or SMF or mybb)
    I really like SMF, but their integration with Wordpress is poor.
    bbPress has improve their WordPress integration (creators of WordPress), but their development is still "new" and options are limited. Plugin support from the community is also very buggy.
    phpBB seems to be the best supported forum for WordPress integration.

    5) Live Group Chat. The 10 IM chat windows as done now, stinks and is clunky. Are there modules for this too?

    WordPress: Yes - Take your pick http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/search.php?q=chat

    6) Stats of pilot time logged (integration of phpVMS or similar?) I have an application that is fully php and independent but I am not sure how I would integrate this into a CMS. Would it link to a fully separate page like a Forum or should every thing be embedded into the CMS in some shape or form?

    WordPress: No - Let someone develop a plugin for it.

    7) A google map showing a data feed from a specific source. Could this be integrated in to the front page of the CMS?

    WordPress: Yes - Choose the one that suit your needs: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/...?q=Google+maps

    The argument that WordPress is not a CMS and therefor should not be used as such is bull. Mashable gets 5 mil page views monthly. How much traffic does it need to handle before people can accept it as a worthy solution as a CMS?

    CMS looking sites using WordPress:
    http://www2.macleans.ca/
    http://magazine.wsj.com/
    http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/
    http://mashable.com/
    http://www.collegecrunch.org/
    http://theguildfilm.com/
    http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/
    http://blogs.fm.co.za/
    http://visittheoregoncoast.com/

    Oh, and Sitepoint blogs are also run on WordPress
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    I've been using WordPress as a CMS with the thought of a user taking over their own maintenance after the initial design. From that perspective, it is very easy for a user to update plugins, etc. Additional plugins make it SEO-friendly.

    With the discussion though of Joomla and the fact that it seemed to be the overwhelming choice, I'm going to try it out myself.

    Chris

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    Hi i thing Drupal Is best cms system



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