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    Google still a nightmare

    My site, domainguru.com, has been up over seven months now. We have incoming links from sitepoint, snapnames, sedo, and many other quality sites. We have several hundred pages of useful information.

    Yet Google continues to ignore us:

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    Sorry, no information is available for the URL domainguru.com

    If the URL is valid, try visiting that web page by clicking on the following link: domainguru.com
    Find web pages that contain the term "domainguru.com"
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    We used to get partially spidered - but I think that was just because I was URL redirecting domainguidebook.com to a page within the domainguru.com site. The Bot didn't know it was entering the domainguru.com site, it thought it was following a domainguidebook.com link.

    Now I have stopped doing this, the Googlebot doesn't seem to visit us at all. This says to me that the googlebot is refusing to follow any links into the domainguru.com domain - which surely can only be because Google has blacklisted the domain?

    We bought the name off a company - I guess they were doing some bad things with it. So my questions are:

    (a) what can get you blacklisted from Google? Has anyone experience of being blacklisted.

    (b) How can I get off this blacklist?
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    that's really bad. one of my site got listed really well within two weeks and another got listed without me even trying within days because I got linked on the frontpage of a popular television site here in australia. i hope I don't ahve any trouble when I try to list my hosting business.

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    try writing to googlebot@google.com
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    I would give it a little time. Poor googlebot has so many sites to check out. I'm assuming you submiited the Home page url to Google right?...
    http://www.google.com/addurl.html

    One weird thing I noticed early on when my site wasn't showing up is if you search your name with the .com on the end you won't get any results. Take off the .com .net etc and you do. Kind of strange

    I searched domainguru and came up with several listings on Google. I didn't go past the second page to see if your site showed up but since you do have other sites linking to you, Google will find you and crawl your site. Be patient.

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    I would give it a little time.
    Did you read my post - my site has been up *seven* months. I make my living from this site. I don't think patience is the answer!
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    OK, here's what I did. I signed up for their free search sevice when my site first went live. What that does is makes Google crawl your site so people can use the Google search box to either search the web or search your site directly from your site. The thing is, I doubt there's anyway they check whether you are using their search box or not. That might speed up the process. I feel your frustration. I've been trying to get into dmoz.org for 18 months

    Here's a link...
    http://www.google.com/services/free.html

    Good luck,
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    Try submitting to www.dmoz.org . If your in there you are pretty much guaranteed to be spidered in google.

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    Guys, it is fairly obvious that Lee's problem isn't getting spidered the first time.

    Lee, do as Chris suggested and contact Google and ask them about it.

    Beyond that, create a second domain and have it be a mirror of domainguru.com would be my suggestion.
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    I contacted Google the minute Chris gave out the e-mail address. Hope it works. Will let you know if I get a reply.
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    Lee, I do hope it does otherwise I fear you will need to maintain a second domain which Google can search, unless anyone else has any suggestions...
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    But nobody has answered my original question yet?

    Do Google blacklist domains? If so, can blacklisting be reversed?
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    Sorry! Yes, Google does Blacklist (as all SE's do). I do not know if they reverse it though, sorry, Chris probably will though
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    Surely there MUST be a way of reversing blacklists? Because otherwize they are ruining my business for no good reason. Maybe they don't care about that, but I do.
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    Hey, I'm on your side mate! I just posted here because it seemed obvious that most of the answers you were getting weren't actually in response to your question!
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    Jeremy,

    Sorry about that. I wasn't meaning to have a go at you. Your answer was exactly what I needed - precise and to the point.

    My gripe is with Google, I wrote to them two months ago with zero response. Just hope they come good this time.

    Thanks for your help,
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    but you haven't been blacklisted if palmerb was able to find you in the listings, you just have a bad ranking. what are you doing to make your site stand our from all the other domain sites? that is what you should focus on. i would check out some sites like rankwrite.com or highrankings.com. they have some great information on writing for search engines.

    edit: wait, he didn't see it, my fault...
    Last edited by bbolte; May 17, 2002 at 14:32.

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    palmerb hadn't found my site in the search engines - simply found references to the text string 'domainguru' - not the same thing at all.

    what do you want my site to do to stand out? stand on its head? It already has many incoming links and great content.

    It's got nothing to do with ranking. Google is NOT SPIDERING MY SITE, so ranking is irrelevant.

    I do know a bit about good domain name sites, my old site was #1 on Google for "domain names"
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    Lee, I realise how frustrating this can be so I'll take your use of exclamation marks as just that: real frustration.

    The real problem here is that SE's have no duty to spider us poor web users. You can pay Yahoo 300$ and they can take your money and still refuse to list you!

    My gut feeling is that Google will probably either not reply or simply not fix the issue. I hope it is otherwise because, all in all, Google is a solid company with great PR.
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    No I didn't find him when I did the search, just several sites that linked to him. Just to clarify.

    Jeremy, you're right I didn't read his question correctly. I'm sorry for reading too fast and not getting the jist of his question. Now after reading it I feel like a dork.

    Lee, if you want someone to write a letter on your behalf to Google, I could do that for you. You of course would proofread it first. Maybe if someone stands in your corner they will listen. Couldn't hurt. I hope you get a quick reply and it's just a glitch with the Googlebot. That would really stink if you bought a domain name that was banned.

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    Originally posted by Jeremy W.

    Beyond that, create a second domain and have it be a mirror of domainguru.com would be my suggestion.
    Jeremy,
    Is site mirroring considered spamming?

    After reading this article on SitePoint: http://www.promotionbase.com/article.php?pid=22&aid=652

    I was not sure.

    I know we are only talking about one domain mirror instead of a thousand.

    After reading the above article, I took down a client's second domain name that mirrored thier first, becuase I did not want them to somehow be potentially blacklisted (although they only used thier second domain name as a shorter email address).

    For some reason Google had not indexed thier site at all, while all the other search engines, including Yahoo, had them typically in a good position.

    So back to the question and away from my rambling :

    Is site mirroring considered spamming? --Even with just one or two mirrored domain names?

    --Because there are plenty of good legitmate reasons for some businesses to have multiple domain names point to thier site. Kind of like multiple listings in the yellow pages or when you own the .com, .org., and .net versions of your URL.

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    Yes, Google are a good company. And their spiders are controlled by rules. I am trying to understand the rules so my site is spidered. So we can all live happily ever after.

    If my domain name was blacklisted in the past, I'm sure it is just a matter of explaining the change of ownership of the name last year and they will reinstate it.

    pay Yahoo 300$ and they can take your money and still refuse to list you
    This has cost me a lot more than $300.
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    Sean, I don't know. As I've said many times, I'm not an SE expert, I was simply offering a solution.

    After all if he bought the domain and got blacklisted on that one, would he really be any worse off?
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    Originally posted by Lee Hodgson
    Surely there MUST be a way of reversing blacklists? Because otherwize they are ruining my business for no good reason. Maybe they don't care about that, but I do.
    Simple. Buy another domain name, transfer your site BUT make the pages different from the first one; there are plenty of utilities on the market that will help you do this for multiple pages. Submit domain 2, keep domain 1, and see what happens. It might be better to ensure that they are both on different IP addresses, just in case it is that, and not the domain, which has been blacked. You may need to change the subnet, if this is Greek to you (as it was last year to me) email me and I'll explain.
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    Originally posted by Jeremy W.
    Sean, I don't know. As I've said many times, I'm not an SE expert...
    That's okay. I just thought maybe you knew. I'd love to know inorder to make good reccomendations to my clients.

    Best regards

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    When I contacted Google with a valid complaint I got a response, and a couple follow up responses as they fixed the problem. They even "sicked" GoogleBot on my site and a few other similar sites special just to test things out.
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