Threatens IE7
NetApps shows the same thing.The study points to many users opting to use Firefox or an alternative browser rather than opting for IE7
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Threatens IE7
NetApps shows the same thing.The study points to many users opting to use Firefox or an alternative browser rather than opting for IE7
Firefox can threaten IE 7 all it wants, IE 8 is due out this month to replace it anyway
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IE has lost market share almost every month for 4 years running. 4 years ago, IE had more than 95% of the market. Now it's under 67% and still dropping.Originally Posted by Dan Grossman
Firefox can threaten IE 7 all it wants, IE 8 is due out this month to replace it anyway
otoh, just over 4 years ago, Firefox did not exist.
According to Net Applications... 4 years ago (2004 Q4) Internet Explorer only had 91.35% of the browser market share, and they are a reliable source for user metrics of web browsers. So I think your information is slightly fluctuated
Or is Net Apps slightly fluctuated? My source is an article from ZDNet from 4 years ago. I don't see the point in worrying about 4 percentage points in the overall picture. The fact is, IE has lost about 1/3 market share over the last 4 years; an indication of what crap is.According to Net Applications... 4 years ago (2004 Q4) Internet Explorer only had 91.35% of the browser market share, and they are a reliable source for user metrics of web browsers. So I think your information is slightly fluctuated
Net Applications showed a slight increase in IE usage overall (though Firefox is still growing quickly), it makes me sad that Opera has such a relatively low market share in comparison to how good a browser it really is on the desktop.
And the phone! I use Opera Mini on my Samsung Instinct.
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Dan, Opera Mini has quite a solid market share (If I remember correctly it is second only to WebKit-Mini for the iPhone), that seems to be Opera's primary market, I just wish its desktop browser had more of a following because it deserves a lot more users then it generally gets
The stats I have been seeing recently have been Firefox 3 at about 40%, IE7 at about 27% and IE6 at about 20% - so I can't understand the original comment about Firefox challenging IE7. IE7 has always had a lower userbase than Firefox in my stats and the only difference in the past year or so has been a steady move away from IE making the difference bigger.
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And that follows right in line with Xiti's stats for Europe where they show up to half of all European users do not use IE.
You must be looking at W3Schools report or some other tech-biased source.
Hitslink (Net Applications): IE7 47%, all versions of Firefox 21%
Thecounter: IE7 42%, all versions of Firefox 18%
Statcounter: IE7 41%, all versions of Firefox 27%
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I was looking at the stats for my own sites.
A lot of the more tech type site stats I have seen have IE showing much lower percentages where Firefox has already well and truly overtaken IE and is now used by the majority of visitors to those sites. Some of the most technical sites now have so few IE6 visitors that they can start thinking about abandoning support for IE6 completely.
Stats also vary a lot depending on what part of the world you are in and from what stats I have seen a large percentage of the remaining IE6 users are in the USA with a far lower percentage of people still using it across the rest of the world. Not all of those abandonong IE6 are moving to IE7 either or are switching again soon afterwards.
There is actually a whole range of different stats on what percentage of people use what browsers and there is not really any figures except those for your own site that really have any significance (unless you are looking to try to target a new audience using browsers that your current audience is not using).
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Just a few months ago, Sitepoint said their stats show 55% non-IE users I believe.
that's not too surprising...FF continuously improving...they might even over take IE7!!
This man speaks the truth. We've got a few sites where IE6 is still the most popular browser. Big chunks of corporate america are still stuck on Windows 2000 or have some line of business app that gets broken by IE7.There is actually a whole range of different stats on what percentage of people use what browsers and there is not really any figures except those for your own site that really have any significance (unless you are looking to try to target a new audience using browsers that your current audience is not using).
Individual sites are not what this thread is about. Though different stat services give different numbers, some are in the same ballpark and, more importantly, they show the same trend. All of them show IEs numbers dropping significantly over the years.
Well individual sites are the only things that it is possible to collect stats for on the web so all those stats you are quoting belong to individual sites - which is why they are all different.
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FF may have got the lead after their new release. IE may rise somewhat after the release of IE8.
If MS looses the lawsuit in Europe then they won't be able to give IE as part of Windows anymore in Europe. I guess that would be the biggest blow for IE if happens.
Of course it will since it's not released yet but, overall, IE will probably continue to deteriorate.
Microsoft confirmed, today, that IE8 can be removed from the startup list in Windows7.If MS looses the lawsuit in Europe then they won't be able to give IE as part of Windows anymore in Europe. I guess that would be the biggest blow for IE if happens.
It's not a lawsuit.
Loses is spelled L-O-S-E.
I don't know about other peoples stats but stats from my site which is not IT or web master related show hardly any change in IE users vs FF users. IE 6 users have declined but perhaps that's more to do with IE users switching to IE 7, much like FF2 users have switched to FF3.
I haven't tried using Opera though.
FF has well over 50% share of SitePoint visitors. I did a bit of a tongue in cheek post on the extinction of ie using our browser history since 2005. Other than people taking it way too seriously -- it did show a pretty dramatic and consistent drop off. We're obviously visited by a more tech savvy group -- but I still found it interesting
That's the point! If Sitepoint is visited by a more tech savvy group, people who know more about the technology than the average person, wouldn't you think they would choose a browser more wisely than the average person? And if that choice is NOT IE that this should tell us something about IE?
If you see a bunch of carpenters working in a building and most of them are using DeWalt drills, do you think maybe DeWalt is the drill you should buy?
If you visit the blogs of every web designer and developer you've heard of. The ones who write books, give talks at all the conferences, like Eric Meyer, Molly, Andy Clarke, etc. NONE of them use IE except for testing. Not one of them.
Not necessarily -- a DeWalt drill is perfect for a tradesman/carpenter as it can handle the heavy day-to-day use that it will be asked to endure.
A regular 'home handyman' might use a drill say once a month. A cheap drill will serve them well for years as it's not under the same type of load. Buying a drill 5 X more expensive overkill -- and a waste of money.
I might be drawing a long bow here, but, you could look at this in terms of browsers. As Web professionals we need the very best in browsers. It's a critical part of our livelihood. Speed, reliability, flexibility are all important considerations we make when choosing a browser- as it directly impacts what we do.
A regular user doesn't think like that. They just want a browser that can simply show web pages, and the easiest one to use is the version they've already got installed. Downloading a new browser is just extra hassle they don't want - they don't care about what they are potentially missing.
I deleted that last paragraph. Then reinserted it and I just knew someone would say what you just said, Shayne, and you're not taking the analogy as intended.
The point is, the people who understand tech the most, do not use IE, and that tells us a lot about IE.
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