I need help with tables...

[_:FAL:_]

First off I suck at coding so bear with me. I'm trying to make a personal site that is organized with HTML tables. I basically have a main header table, then a body with a menu on the left and content on the right.

Problem #1: Gap
For some reason there is a 9px gap between the top of my top table and top of the browser. I want it to touch the top, what's wrong?

Problem #2: Table Height/Footer
I'm going to have a small 20px or so footer with the copywrite. I want this to always be on the bottom of course and have the menu and body tables automatically extend to the top of the footer. What would be the best way of doing this?

[TommiChi]

1. If you position your table absolutely and style it with "top:0px", that should do the trick
2. The very last row of your table should be the footer. With the colspan property you should be able to make that field span across the entire bottom (if you have 3 colums in your table, then colspan=3....)

[Erik J]

Problem #1: Gap

That gap would be the default padding/margin applied on the body depending of the browser.

Reset with:

html,
body {
    margin: 0;
    padding: 0;
}

[RyanReese]

Hi

If you want to reset ALL margins/paddings for every element (including forms) then do
*{margin:0;padding:0;}.

As for the footer, why not just have a row for that and set the height for 20px?

Cheers.

[r937]

You can't put them back on once you remove them so be careful.

are you sure?

* {margin:0;padding:0;}
input { margin:1em;padding:1em; }

[RyanReese]

I think I'm thinking about the wrong thing right now. Ignore that.

[r937]

please don't go back and edit out stuff you said that somebody replies to

besides, it's still there for everybody to see in the quote in my post, so there's not much point

[RyanReese]

I acknowledged I posted it so I see no reason why I can't go back and edit my posts.

[r937]

I see no reason why I can't go back and edit my posts.

there is a reason, a good reason -- it just isn't done

no, it's not specifically prohibited by our FAQ, and yes, the edit facility is available

but it's just not cricket, old man, especially after someone quotes you

after that, you can't unsay it, so it becomes unseemly to try to cover your tracks

the time spent editing is better spent planning what you post before you post it

[RyanReese]

the time spend editing is better spent planning what you post before you post it

Same to you. You know that I can edit posts and you know that by you quoting me I can't cover my tracks so I see no reason why you even brought this up in the first place.

[r937]

...I see no reason why you even brought this up in the first place.

i brought it up to straighten you out

[RyanReese]

Which wasn't necessary as I was already like an unmessed with border.

[r937]

.ryanreese { border:0 }

[RyanReese]

.ryanreese{border:1px solid black !important;}