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    Who wants a FREE copy of the book?

    No really .... FREE! As in beer!


    If you want one, I have a few (well, 5) to give away, but you just have to do a bit of creative writing, y'know, tell me that if you don't receive a copy of the book then you'll develop some rare tropical disease that I'll have on my conscience. Here's the info and the email link to submit your tale of woe.
    Build Your Own Web Site the Right Way!
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    I would recommend xhtml/css/... Looks way better

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    I would not buy a book because there's millions of free sources where you can learn that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellpurham View Post
    I would not buy a book because there's millions of free sources where you can learn that
    Yes, but most of them are old and outdated and will teach you the wrong way to do things. Anyone can publish something online and claim to be an expert, but how will you know?

    Ian is an acknowledged expert who is extremely well respected throughout the web developer/designer community. He also knows about related subjects that have a profound impact on how you create website, like accessibility.
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    Just got this book delivered today and reading the above comments makes me eager to read now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutisticCuckoo View Post
    Ian is an acknowledged expert who is extremely well respected throughout the web developer/designer community. He also knows about related subjects that have a profound impact on how you create website, like accessibility.
    OK, so .... how do you like payment, Tommy? Cash? Cheque ;-)

    Thanks for the nice comment!
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    Quote Originally Posted by myindya View Post
    Just got this book delivered today and reading the above comments makes me eager to read now...
    Hope you find the book easy to follow and also find it easy to then build your skills even further on top of what you learn in this book
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellpurham View Post
    I would not buy a book because there's millions of free sources where you can learn that
    The best such free source that actually contains 21st century information rather than the outdated 20th century information that most online sources contain is the free chapters that SitePoint has online from this book. To get the rest of the information you need the book.

    There are other free sources of the correct information out there but unless you actually already know the information (and therefore don't actually need the resource) you are not going to be able to distinguish the one good site from the 999 bad ones.
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    I learned prolly most of what I know from forums like this one filled with Crusties...
    however I started out first on a forum (not a very good one though) and did no understand what people were talking about, until after going through first this book (Ian's) and then through the HTML Utopia book. Neither book gets real in-depth-- instead, they give you the basis to learn further online. You do a lot of flailing around first.

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    I have gone through the book and I really like "Build Your Own Web Site The Right Way Using HTML & CSS, 2nd Edition"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellpurham View Post
    I would recommend xhtml/css/... Looks way better
    Why? XHTML looks better than HTML? because of the X?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Tranquility View Post
    Why? XHTML looks better than HTML? because of the X?
    Sure! It's the X that put the sex back into HTML. Oh no, wait, porn never left HTML ...
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    The X is definitely seXy. But the /> on everything kinda ruin it : ( They are definitely not sexy.
    Now, in the current episode of Dr McNinja, we all know that if King Radical writes HTML, he definitely writes Xhtml cause it's Xtreme.

    You give away all those books yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    You give away all those books yet?
    Yep - plenty of entries to choose from. Too many!

    http://accessify.com/news/2009/01/co...wacky-entries/
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    Those were Lawlz! I like the one from Spitsbergen-- it's an island waaaay in the north which may be technically owned by teh Swedes but I heard was once Dutch.
    And the squirrel one reminded me of a site I was going to build-- about the time I first ran into your first edition book-- called "squirrelverzekeren" in honour of my boss who was making a lot of -verzekeren sites. Ultimately the site was never made because we feared the boss would maybe actually run with it. He's a little manic sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    Those were Lawlz! I like the one from Spitsbergen-- it's an island waaaay in the north which may be technically owned by teh Swedes but I heard was once Dutch.
    I think the Norwegians might be a bit upset about that statement.
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    Yeah whoops, not as bad as my saying Amon Amarth was Finnish or that Opera was Swedish!

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    I hope i got this book in right time and sure i will make use of it.Thanks.
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    I bought the first version of the book and have since bought another 15 Sitepoint books/kits. When ever I come across someone starting out in web design/development, I strongly suggest this book as the best way to get a grounding in the subject.

    I have since started a course in web design and the first semester focused on straight HTML (table layouts etc). It is not the intention of the course to continue with this, they just feel that it's easier to teach one technology at a time. Personally, I think a far better way to do it would be to get the students to buy a copy of this book and use it as the basis of the subject for at least the first term.

    In short, this book does what a lot of other experts can't do. That is, teach HTML & CSS side by side. Well worth the price you pay for the book.
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    I think this book can be a pretty good textbook for a teacher. Esp if the teacher has the knowledge to explain further, see why student hit walls, have extra questions, or want to know what's so seXy about that X.

    Teaching people tables because CSS is to be learned later I agree is counter-intuitive, because CSS relies on good HTML. So when they get to CSS, they'll have to waste time re-learning HTML again : ( Though it's good to learn to style tables of course : )

    I'm still recommending this book to people as well.

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    Iss it too late to possibly win a copy..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    I think this book can be a pretty good textbook for a teacher. Esp if the teacher has the knowledge to explain further, see why student hit walls, have extra questions, or want to know what's so seXy about that X.
    That's what I thought -and said actually, I think in the end we agreed to disagree- and at $29.95US it is very affordable. We only had one other book to buy for the entire course and that was a book on VB2008 which cost over $80AUD. Just on the $US thing... could any of you lovely folks at sitepoint shed some light on why I, living in Australia, purchase a book from an Australian company, and have to get it shipped via Europe after paying $US for the book, from a warehouse in the United States. I'm sure there must be some logical explanation and what-not, but I'd LOVE to be able to purchase these books from a warehouse here in Australia -being that, like I said, you're an Australian company and all. You can even use my garage if that helps...

    Quote Originally Posted by Stomme poes View Post
    Teaching people tables because CSS is to be learned later I agree is counter-intuitive, because CSS relies on good HTML. So when they get to CSS, they'll have to waste time re-learning HTML again : ( Though it's good to learn to style tables of course : )

    I'm still recommending this book to people as well.
    Funny you should mention that. I had to do an assignment and I told the teacher that I wouldn't be using tables to layout the site. I still had to do a table for data though, but it turned out a little messy in the first draft as I hadn't used great markup for it. It worked ok, it was just that I left out things like headings etc, and being that I'm going to be using this site next semester when we get in to JavaScript etc, I had to go back and make sure everything was all good etc. Having said that though, the site would never have had the table in the real world, so it was a bit of a moot point in the end.
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    Oh, and I forgot to ask this too. Earlier on there was a discussion re: xhtml vs html and it's semantic use etc.

    My question is this. If you have a site that you want to use AJAX on, does it have to be in xhtml? or can it be done in html 4.1?

    Sorry if this is a silly, noob like question.

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    Ajax is just JavaScript, using an XMLHttpRequest object to contact the server. It can be used regardless of whether you use HTML or XHTML.

    XMLHttpRequest was invented by Microsoft and first used in IE5/Win, I believe. And no IE version supports XHTML even today.
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    That's what I thought -and said actually, I think in the end we agreed to disagree- and at $29.95US it is very affordable.
    We disagreed about something? Not sure what. And yeah my post above was supposed to be agreeing with you, that it would be a nice textbook : )

    Funny you should mention that. I had to do an assignment and I told the teacher that I wouldn't be using tables to layout the site. I still had to do a table for data though, but it turned out a little messy in the first draft as I hadn't used great markup for it. It worked ok, it was just that I left out things like headings etc, and being that I'm going to be using this site next semester when we get in to JavaScript etc, I had to go back and make sure everything was all good etc. Having said that though, the site would never have had the table in the real world, so it was a bit of a moot point in the end.
    Since I had never learned tables from the get-go, I struggled through them when I first came against them (and used the XHTML tables in "HTML Utopia: Designing without tables using CSS" as my first example of a "good table"). Styling them was just as hard, especially since borders would disappear cross browsers and tr backgrounds would be gone and all that. I still see lots of <table border="blah" cellpadding="blah" cellspacing="" width="blah"> on pages that claim they use CSS for everything. So, yeah, I didn't want anyone to forget that tables too need styling. I've made piles of tables since then (usually forgetting important stuff in between each set of tables, requiring me to relearn stuff... again) and knowing tables is a must.

    Even if your page was a moot point, you learned on it, right? So, still good. : )


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