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    Do you still support Firefox 1.x/2.x?

    I'm curious to know if you still actively support Firefox 1/2. Firefox 3 has been out for a while now and from what I can see the adoption rate of Firefox 3 has been pretty good (~75% @ September '08 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Firefox]), however there's still a large minority of people still using Firefox 2 (I can only guess there's some extension they MUST have and therefore wont upgrade FF until the extension is supported).

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    I don't see where you got ~75%
    I calculate that ~46% of Firefox users are using versions older than 3
    IMHO, way too many to ignore.

    I think that many "non-techy" users have the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality, and aren't aware of the benefits of (or the risks of not) updating regularly.

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    http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2
    (I know it's only one source)
    FF3 = 13.27% market share
    FF2 = 5.77% market share

    It's closer to 70% according to those stats.

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    Also how did you reach the conclusion of 46%? Could you reference some sources to back this calculation?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mittineague View Post
    I think that many "non-techy" users have the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality, and aren't aware of the benefits of (or the risks of not) updating regularly.
    I prefer FF3 (it's on my work machine), but at home I use FF2 because it supports all the cool add-ons and such that I use on a regular basis. When all of the add-ons come in FF3 versions, I'll make the switch.

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    2.0.0.16 (or whatever the last version was) yes, 1.x no.

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    Yes, I made a mistake and calculated the percentage of <v3 users compared to v3 users, 6.17/13.27 (~46.5&#37; as many firefox users use older versions than newer version users), not what percentage of Firefox users used the newer version.

    v. 1.0x..............0.14%
    v. 1.5.0x............0.26%
    v. 2.0.0x............5.77%
    ----------------------
    ........................6.17%
    v. 3.0x..............13.27%
    ----------------------
    .......................19.44%
    (precision difference of .02)
    13.27/19.44 = 68.26%
    13.27/19.46 = 68.19%

    So considering the hundredths of a percent as statistically insignificant, you are correct, 68.2% is close to 70% of all Firefox users.

    Still, how many users does 6.17% of market share represent?
    This is similar to how many users have < 800x600 screen resolution.

    It would be interesting to know what number "market share" is.

    I guess supporting the "5%", in terms of both browser support and design, depends on the site's target niche and how willing you are to accept the risk of alienating potential visitors.

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    We could always start with the obvious question - is there any difference in the way a page is displayed in FF1 vs FF2 vs FF3? I've not seen any, at least not for my sites (which also show no real differences in IE7, or IE6).

    I still use FF2, as I have easy access to other PCs with FF3 (and FF1) for testing designs. I might upgrade to FF3 on my newest PC in the near future however.

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    Just looking quickly at the 3.0 changes http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/releases/
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr John
    is there any difference in the way a page is displayed in FF1 vs FF2 vs FF3?
    The most likely to have a rendering effect are (IMHO)
    Full page zoom: from the View menu and via keyboard shortcuts, the new zooming feature lets you zoom in and out of entire pages, scaling the layout, text and images, or optionally only the text size. Your settings will be remembered whenever you return to the site.
    and
    New graphics and font handling: new graphics and text rendering architectures in Gecko 1.9 provides rendering improvements in CSS, SVG as well as improved display of fonts with ligatures and complex scripts
    So I guess it depends on how "fixed" the layout is and how much "cutting edge" stuff the page uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Max View Post
    When all of the add-ons come in FF3 versions, I'll make the switch.
    I've got quite a lot of add-ons installed, but none that aren't now v3-compatible.

    But to answer the question: don't bother about 1.x anymore but still check in 2.x.

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    The main reason I actually brought this topic up was missing functionality in FF2 (display: inline-block). FF3 was mainly focused on performance, however there are a number of enhancements to css, js & dom.

    As Mittineague said it depends on your target niche, however if your targeting a general market even 2&#37; is a large number of potential visitors.

    I think for now we're still going to be stuck supporting FF2. This isn't anything major (unlike supporting IE6), however it's a shame I still can't use inline-block ><.

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    Yeah, I got caught out using inline-block the other day and forgot about FF2.

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    So does anyone have any guess-timates as to what "market share" is (either total number of browsers, or total number of web users)?
    Using what I believe would be an overly conservative number of 10 000 000, would mean there are 617 000 old-version Firefox users.

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    Does anyone know if previous versions of FF can be run on the same PC in a similar way to Multiple IEs?

    Or would it have to be done via VPC?

    I remember checking this shortly after the release of FF3 but without much joy.

    Thanks

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    You should call your elected official and tell them to mandate a switch to digital broacast... I mean Firefox 3 by February of 2009!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acquiesce View Post
    Does anyone know if previous versions of FF can be run on the same PC in a similar way to Multiple IEs?
    I used to do this with FF1.5 and FF2 but this article seems to describe a similar method.


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