Laptop AOL 9.0 problem, need help

**joe113** · Oct 12, 2008 09:33

Hello all!

I’m having a problem here. I successfully tested this site:
http://biamontetrainingcenter.com
on all the browsers that I know of but I was made aware that on the Laptop computer and/or AOL 9.0 browser that I have some serious overlapping here. Does anyone know a hack, or could direct me to a link with how to solve this issue? I am aware of the “if IE” hack but the browser I’m having trouble with is definitely AOL 9.0, not IE, since I viewed the system information on the computer in question. It’s messed up on all laptops though. Also, one of the laptops is on Vista, could this also be issue? Thanks!

**RyanReese** · Oct 12, 2008 17:58

AOL browser? Don't even worry about that browser. Also if this is a CSS problem (sounds like it) then post in the correct forum next time. Thank you.

**joe113** · Oct 12, 2008 21:49

Originally Posted by BoltZ

AOL browser? Don't even worry about that browser. Also if this is a CSS problem (sounds like it) then post in the correct forum next time. Thank you.

Is this kid for real? Is this the kind of answer I get for posting at the Sitepoint forum? Highly unprofessional and disappointing.

Are there any rules on this forum against trolls?

**Black Max** · Oct 12, 2008 22:53

Joe, don't be too distressed. Few in this community like AOL, so don't be surprised to get some rather disparaging comments. As far as I'm aware, AOL uses a modified version of Internet Explorer, so whatever's going on with your site is probably an IE problem and not an AOL-specific problem. (I could be wrong, I'm not familiar with what AOL does with or to IE.)

Here's one site that might shed some light on the differences:

http://www.internetinspiration.co.uk/aol_9_browser.htm

Taking a quick peek at your site, I'm not sure what the "overlapping" problem is. You have a relatively simply constructed site with nothing really unusual about it, except the choice to incorporate the CSS for the jockey graphic into the body of the home page itself and not into the stylesheet.

I'm speculating, but I think you might be talking about notebook PCs, handhelds, or whatever ittie bitties instead of laptops. There's no provision that I saw for displaying this site on any sort of mobile PC. Maybe that's what you're hearing about...?

Note to BoltZ: Plenty of design forums make a point to condescend to new posters, especially when they ask questions involving America Online or something obvious or whatever gives the veterans a chance to curl their lips and sneer. We don't do that here.

**RyanReese** · Oct 13, 2008 07:22

Don't get my age into this. I could be a genious for all you know

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Do you see AOL browser here?

Made by Kravvitz, one of the smartest here.

**joe113** · Oct 13, 2008 09:44

Originally Posted by Black Max

Joe, don't be too distressed. Few in this community like AOL, so don't be surprised to get some rather disparaging comments. As far as I'm aware, AOL uses a modified version of Internet Explorer, so whatever's going on with your site is probably an IE problem and not an AOL-specific problem. (I could be wrong, I'm not familiar with what AOL does with or to IE.)

Here's one site that might shed some light on the differences:

http://www.internetinspiration.co.uk/aol_9_browser.htm

Taking a quick peek at your site, I'm not sure what the "overlapping" problem is. You have a relatively simply constructed site with nothing really unusual about it, except the choice to incorporate the CSS for the jockey graphic into the body of the home page itself and not into the stylesheet.

I'm speculating, but I think you might be talking about notebook PCs, handhelds, or whatever ittie bitties instead of laptops. There's no provision that I saw for displaying this site on any sort of mobile PC. Maybe that's what you're hearing about...?

Note to BoltZ: Plenty of design forums make a point to condescend to new posters, especially when they ask questions involving America Online or something obvious or whatever gives the veterans a chance to curl their lips and sneer. We don't do that here.

Thank you very much! Yes, it's notebook that I'm having these problems with. I'll check out the link!

**joe113** · Oct 14, 2008 11:33

Originally Posted by BoltZ

Don't get my age into this. I could be a genious for all you know

.

Do you see AOL browser here?

Made by Kravvitz, one of the smartest here.

It's a shame you have such an attitude and I don't think it fits the spirit of this forum, but thanks for the link, I'm sure I'll put it to use.

**logic_earth** · Oct 14, 2008 12:29

Ask for the user agent string of this AOL Browser. I think it might be Netscape based instead of IE. AOL Explorer was based on IE however its versions don't extend to 9. AOL currently owns Netscape (before they closed it down) so they might be using the technology.

If the user agent string contains Gecko then its probably Netscape 9 or so.

**RyanReese** · Oct 14, 2008 14:00

Originally Posted by joe113

It's a shame you have such an attitude and I don't think it fits the spirit of this forum, but thanks for the link, I'm sure I'll put it to use.

I don't think I have an attitude which is why I added a smiley face

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**Black Max** · Oct 14, 2008 14:39

Originally Posted by BoltZ

I don't think I have an attitude which is why I added a smiley face

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Somehow this reminds me of the old Dave Barry bit with emoticons, which read something like,

14 million people died during Europe's Black Plague.

We all have attitudes, man. Attitude is like habanero peppers, a little goes a long way.

**RyanReese** · Oct 14, 2008 15:55

I have been told to lower my temper before on other site to keep a cool head, I tend to vent some anger on forums.

**Black Max** · Oct 14, 2008 20:55

Originally Posted by BoltZ

I have been told to lower my temper before on other site to keep a cool head, I tend to vent some anger on forums.

You're not the only one, I've been slapped down a few times on these forums myself. One of the reasons why SP has such popular forums is that the veterans here tend to be very polite and respectful to pretty much everyone. I've asked some stick-stupid questions in my time and have received very patient answers. In general, people refrain from the personal slaps and the arrogant, "I know more than you therefore I'm better than you therefore I can mock you at will nyahh" approach. You didn't go there, but you crept towards the edge.

I have no power or pull around here other than whatever friendships and reputation I've built up over the time I've posted in these parts, such as they may be, so I can't tell you what to post. I will tell you as a general statement, without any insinuations about you or anyone else, that posters displaying a contempt for newbies or for "ignorant" questions tend not to stick around very long.

Every forum on the Internet is one argument away from degenerating into a flame pit. The SP moderators are very serious about keeping order and civility in here. I applaud their efforts, except, of course, when they're cracking down on me

**RyanReese** · Oct 15, 2008 05:14

Technically noone has power over anyone here, except for the staff members...

I try to control myself before I get out of control but if I do just remind me of boundaries.

Ok thanks for the critique everyone!

**joe113** · Oct 15, 2008 08:24

Originally Posted by logic_earth

Ask for the user agent string of this AOL Browser. I think it might be Netscape based instead of IE. AOL Explorer was based on IE however its versions don't extend to 9. AOL currently owns Netscape (before they closed it down) so they might be using the technology.

If the user agent string contains Gecko then its probably Netscape 9 or so.

Okay, thanks!

**RyanReese** · Oct 15, 2008 08:57

Originally Posted by BoltZ

Technically noone has power over anyone here, except for the staff members...

I try to control myself before I get out of control but if I do just remind me of boundaries.

Ok thanks for the critique everyone!

Oh crap this isn't my thread. LOL too little sleep.

**Paul O'B** · Oct 16, 2008 07:31

Hi,

Originally Posted by joe113

I was made aware that on the Laptop computer and/or AOL 9.0 browser that I have some serious overlapping here.

You have issues in all versions of IE so I'm guessing this is the same issue you are seeing. (I am wondering why no one above bothered to check this in IE

)

The problem is because you have used the body element to center the layout (which is a method I advise against) and when you open the viewport in IE you will see that the inner content does not move and the navigation overlaps the center content.

Maybe you have never opened your window once the page has loaded and have not noticed this effect but I am constantly moving my windows around and noticed it straight away.

You are also centering the html element which also kills IE7 so the code you are using is breaking all versions of ie at some point.

The only properties you need ever worry about on the html element are margin,padding and overflow. Everything else can go on the body element. (I'm sure you didn't want borders on the html element and on the body element also.)

If you must use the body to center the page then you must add position:relative to the body element to make ie6 and under work and you must remove the centering from the html element.

This is the revised code.

Code:

html{margin:0;padding:0}
body {
    width: 960px;
    height: 800px;
    margin: auto;
    padding: 0px;
    background-color: white;
    border-left: 1px solid black;
    border-right: 1px solid black;
 position:relative
}

If you are wondering why I am against using the body to center then read these threads

http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=464224
http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463724
http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/show...81#post3312881
(And centering on the body breaks the zoom in ie7 also)

As I said I don't know if this is the issue with the laptops but I'm guessing that it is related.

Hope it helps anyway