Problems with background music

[bloodofeve]

I have an issue with a client who wants a sound clip on her website - I've managed to persuade her that it should only be on the home page, not looped and turns off after 22 seconds . Unfortunately I haven't been able to persuade her that the website is much nicer without the sound at all.
This is where my problems lie - which ever system I use

<embed src="images/nature013 1.mp3" autostart="true" hidden="true" loop="false"></embed>

or

<script type="text/javascript">
AC_FL_RunContent( 'codebase','http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=9,0,28,0','width','18','height','18','title','Waves Sound File','src','Sound','quality','high','pluginspage','http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash','movie','Sound' ); //end AC code
</script><noscript><object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=9,0,28,0" width="18" height="18" title="Waves Sound File">
      <param name="movie" value="Sound.swf" />
      <param name="quality" value="high" />
      <embed src="Sound.swf" quality="high" pluginspage="http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="18" height="18"></embed>
    </object>

It turns my strict validated page to non-validated. I really am not happy with this situation as the rest of the site is compliant.
Can any one suggest a simple method that will enable me to make my page compliant.
Sometimes I wish that clients would listen to good constructive advice.

[haudenosaunee]

Even I used this code... But it was not working... I want the clear reason...

[AutisticCuckoo]

There is no, and has never been any embed element in HTML (although I believe it's being introduced in HTML5).

The embed element type seems to be well supported by most browsers, but it's not HTML and won't validate.

[Eudanil]

This works for me when I use it, it is also exampled on W3Schools.

<embed src = "Media/08. Nothing Else Matters.mp3" autostart = "true" hidden="false" align="center" />

Also this may work.. but only worked sometimes for me. For more information on it look up "The Object Element" on W3Schools.

<object id="SNDTIGER" width="0" height="0" classid="CLSID:22D6F312-B0F6-11D0-94AB-0080C74C7E95" type="application/x-oleobject">
<param name="FileName" value="sounds/tiger.mp3">
<param name="autostart" value="0">
<param name="showcontrols" value="false">
<param name="looping" value="true">
</object>

These both have different information filled out in them, but I used them for 2 different projects.
I also recommend seeing if she will agree with showing it on the page, if she wants it to play all the time (and won't budge). Then the user can choose whether they actually want it playing at all.. nothing worse than music that you can't stop.

There is no, and has never been any embed element in HTML (although I believe it's being introduced in HTML5).

The embed element type seems to be well supported by most browsers, but it's not HTML and won't validate.

You are a far behind for being the XHTML/HTML Guru of 2007. HTML 5 has been out for quite a while now and the <embed> tag along with it. It worked in IE 6 and such, so I don't know why you wouldn't know of it...

[Tailslide]

You are a far behind for being the XHTML/HTML Guru of 2007. HTML 5 has been out for quite a while now

I'm not totally awake yet... is this humour or serious?

Also - don't always rely on things you see at W3Schools - it isn't related to the W3C (although it's happy for us to assume it is!).

[AutisticCuckoo]

You are a far behind for being the XHTML/HTML Guru of 2007. HTML 5 has been out for quite a while now and the <embed> tag along with it. It worked in IE 6 and such, so I don't know why you wouldn't know of it...

The latest version of the HTML5 specification is labelled as 'Editor's Draft'. That's a long, long way from becoming a recommendation. It's no more of a standard than if I were to cook something up myself and call it HTML9&#189;.

I'm fully aware of the support of embed, as I indicated in my post above. But is has never been a part of any official HTML recommendation, and it still isn't. I may become so once HTML5 reaches the level of Candidate Recommendation or Recommendation, but that's some time in the future. I'm talking about right now.

You may choose to use embed, but you can't expect it to validate as HTML at this time.

[Eudanil]

Well even if it isn't out yet, all of the code I have used from it on W3 has worked. It might be the fact they base their tutorials closest to the W3C standards as they can.

Fair enough, but other than embed and object I haven't seen anything. The DTD most people don't use because the browsers can support stuff that it doesn't, such as HTML 5 tags.. although HTML 5 doesn't "exist" yet.

[Dan Schulz]

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/byebyeembed

You might want to read that.

[Eudanil]

It points out about object aswell... if any of you notice, I DID put a object example that works -_-

Instead of whining about what I say why don't you guys help people that need help with sites.. instead of just complaining about them

[Dan Schulz]

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Okay, let's calm down here - I'd hate to see warnings getting issued. Nobody's complaining or whining here, so I don't see what you're getting at with making such accusations. The reason why your technique isn't validating against the DOCTYPE you chose is because <embed></embed> is not a part of the HTML 4.01 or XHTML 1.0 specification, in any flavor (Strict, Transitional or Frameset). Since HTML 5 is not yet a recommendation or candidate recommendation, Tommy was correct to point out that it is not currently valid HTML code.

Also note that the article I linked to points out and illustrates examples where the OBJECT element can be used without the need for JavaScript or the non-standard (as of the HTML 4.01 and XHTML 1.0 specifications) EMBED element as well while still validating against a Strict DOCTYPE.

So please, relax a bit.

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[Eudanil]

I didn't use embed in the OBJECT element and it doesn't need Javascript.. and I don't use Strict DOCTYPE because it doesn't let me do much with the site.

[Dan Schulz]

Oops, you're right. Got you confused with the original poster. Posting at 3 in the morning can have that effect on me at times. Sorry about that.

[Eudanil]

Its okay

[bobsmithmoodeyit]

I wouldn't use sound on a website anyway, find it most annoying!