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    Quote Originally Posted by Datura
    Sagan pretended humility. I do not care for humility, humility in my view is not a virtue. Humility that is not genuine is even worse.
    By the way, Datura.

    I've been meaning to pick this bone with you...


    Don't confuse humility with meekness. Meekness isn't a virtue. But humility can be important!

    Unless someone is humble, there's no way they can allow themselves to learn anything from others.

    I'm sure you must have come across people like that already. Persons who never seem to advance to the higher levels of whatever skill they practice because they're so convinced they're right, they completely shut out the valid advice and criticisms of others.

    Of course it's also true that you can't listen to every criticism or else you'd be going around in circles doing the same things over and over, and also never get confidence in your ability.

    But there has to be a balance somewhere, so I think a certain amount of humility is important.


    Not to be confused with meekness, which is just a sheer lack of backbone.




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    Not having humility does not mean being arrogant or not listening and learning. Humility to me means that you feel humbled by greatness or by vastness (as the universe) and feel small or insignificant in comparison. I admire greatness, but I am never humbled by it. I am in awe, but that is not being humble. Admiring greatness means that you strive to emulate if you can. Feeling humbled means that you have no pride in your own achievement.

    Humbleness to me means underestimating the capacity you have within yourself. We all have different interests and capabilities in certain fields, we should admire people who have gotten to the level of excellence in their area of knowledge. No question about that. We must also acknowledge that we can not know everything, that is only accepting the reality of who we are. But nobody should feel humbled. Humbleness goes along with many belief systems/philosophies for the purpose of keeping you small in your own mind so you become a willing follower. That lies also at the root of this idea that there must be more intelligent beings than we are somewhere out in space. I do not except that. Why can we - humans - not be the ones that have reached the highest level so far?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Datura
    That lies also at the root of this idea that there must be more intelligent beings than we are somewhere out in space. I do not except that. Why can we - humans - not be the ones that have reached the highest level so far?
    Hey they do it here too... camparing us as inferior to other Earth-bound animals. It's only natural that we'd think that way of other, distant beings as well.

    Remember the cougar?

    Maybe that's part of "human nature". Or maybe it's been fed to us too much of the years.



    I get what you're saying now. I looked up the definition of "humble" and apparently I had it wrong. They did actually define "humble" as "meekness". ha!




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    Dictionary:
    humble (hŭm'bəl) pronunciation

    adj., -bler, -blest.

    1. Marked by meekness or modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit; not arrogant or prideful.
    2. Showing deferential or submissive respect: a humble apology.
    3. Low in rank, quality, or station; unpretentious or lowly: a humble cottage.
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    Yes indeed. That is why I would not classify myself as humble or would never strive to be such.
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    Just as a follow up...


    For anyone who's interested, I found the full, half-hour long interview on Fora.tv .

    Here's a link... http://fora.tv/2008/02/19/Neil_DeGra..._by_Black_Hole

    It also begins with that black-hole part I posted in the Kaku thread.




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    Yet another dooms day possibility, this centry doesn't look bright!

    Thank goodness for escapism!!

    p.s. maybe we have finally found a use for all those nuclear weapons!

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    .....Surfs Up! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro0bear
    p.s. maybe we have finally found a use for all those nuclear weapons!
    You're one of them!

    "Let's blow der sucka outta der sky."




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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun(OfTheDead) View Post
    You're one of them!

    "Let's blow der sucka outta der sky."




    Lol, I am one of the lets try and tow it off path, and if that fails, "Let's blow der sucka outta der sky!" as a back up.

    It would be a great excuse to get rid of all the worlds nuclear weapons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro0bear
    Lol, I am one of the lets try and tow it off path, and if that fails, "Let's blow der sucka outta der sky!" as a back up.

    It would be a great excuse to get rid of all the worlds nuclear weapons!
    In my head I'm thinking if I was the president of the United Nations' Zone of Interstellar Planning, I'd park a space-ship on the off-side of the Earth, waiting for the meteor to pass by, then fire nuclear rockets behind it (if deflection fails and it threads the "keyhole").

    Can't fire in front because pieces may be blasted back into Earth's path. Granted that could also happen if you fire from behind... Or a large piece could remain floating somewhere for Earth to trip over as she orbits. But I still think it's a better bet than firing from in front.

    Also, you make it sound as though there's a willingness for countries to get rid of their nuclear weapons. The nukes are playing-cards in a global game of poker. Half of the players are bluffing... the other half want the leverage so they can wager on the pot.

    I'm sure we at the United Nations' Zone of Interstellar Planning would need to make our own nukes for the job. There won't be any bureaucratic sponsorship or donations (of munitions) toward the cause. After all, planetary destruction doesn't put food on peoples' plates...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun(OfTheDead) View Post
    Just as a follow up...


    For anyone who's interested, I found the full, half-hour long interview on Fora.tv .

    Here's a link... http://fora.tv/2008/02/19/Neil_DeGra..._by_Black_Hole

    It also begins with that black-hole part I posted in the Kaku thread.




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    Stuff like this always creeps me out
    Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time.

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    Well, when they pass legislation to stop "climate change", maybe they can pass a bill to stop this as well.

    While, we're at it...we need to vote to stop all forms of destruction and human suffering.

    We should have done this a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KM Richards View Post
    Well, when they pass legislation to stop "climate change", maybe they can pass a bill to stop this as well.
    Climate change cannot be stoped even if we tried, it is natural. The world is coming out of an ice age, that is what is really causing the globe to warm up. There are political reasons for the whole greenhouse gas thing, not that I am against it, I think reducing polution is a brilliant thing, and reducing our dependency on oil is even better.

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    Also, you make it sound as though there's a willingness for countries to get rid of their nuclear weapons. The nukes are playing-cards in a global game of poker. Half of the players are bluffing... the other half want the leverage so they can wager on the pot.

    I undestand that nukes are important in helping to avoid war, but do you really think a single country needs many thousands of nukes? Imagine if any country that has thousands of nukes, had say 50, and spent all the rest of the wasted money on making life better for the people in the country.

    After all, it only takes one well positioned nuke in most More Economically Developed Countries (MEDC's) to bring it to its knees. I mean if the initial mass destruction followed by the mass poisoning, that completely smashes the economy isn't enough, the psychological effect cannot be underestimated either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro0bear View Post
    I undestand that nukes are important in helping to avoid war, but do you really think a single country needs many thousands of nukes?
    Excuse my ignorance, but really thousands!? I thought they had like 1 or 2, precisely because one is more than enough. But thousands, are they planning to conquer a nearby galaxy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by php_daemon View Post
    Excuse my ignorance, but really thousands!? I thought they had like 1 or 2, precisely because one is more than enough. But thousands, are they planning to conquer a nearby galaxy?
    America is suposed to have between 4000-5500 nukes.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...uclear_weapons

    I think its a total waste of resources! And I bet im not the only one!

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    Rusty Schweickart, the former astronaut, also spoke on this issue for "The Long Now Foundation."

    You can download the talk here --> Long Now Foundation Seminars (scroll down to 02004).
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    Time Magazine's Ten Questions for Neil DeGrasse Tyson (clip)



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    As always, I enjoyed listening and watching. Thanks Shaun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun(OfTheDead) View Post
    By the way, Datura.

    I've been meaning to pick this bone with you...


    Don't confuse humility with meekness. Meekness isn't a virtue. But humility can be important!

    Unless someone is humble, there's no way they can allow themselves to learn anything from others.

    I'm sure you must have come across people like that already. Persons who never seem to advance to the higher levels of whatever skill they practice because they're so convinced they're right, they completely shut out the valid advice and criticisms of others.

    Of course it's also true that you can't listen to every criticism or else you'd be going around in circles doing the same things over and over, and also never get confidence in your ability.

    But there has to be a balance somewhere, so I think a certain amount of humility is important.


    Not to be confused with meekness, which is just a sheer lack of backbone.




    I like the way you explain that. In my mind humility is definitely a virtue. Without it we have a whole world of people who won't listen to anyone but themselves which of course makes chaos. And of course Humility isn't meekness or weakness. Some of the strongest people I know are actually very humble and tolerant towards other people. It seems the more arrogant a person is the harder they fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobbo Mon View Post
    I like the way you explain that. In my mind humility is definitely a virtue. Without it we have a whole world of people who won't listen to anyone but themselves which of course makes chaos. And of course Humility isn't meekness or weakness. Some of the strongest people I know are actually very humble and tolerant towards other people. It seems the more arrogant a person is the harder they fall.
    Hahaha -- you are mixing up definitions here. Arrogance is not the opposite of humbleness. Tolerance has nothing to do with humbleness. Humbleness is the opposite of self assurance.

    Self assurance leads to tolerance. Arrogance is an overblown assessment of yourself.

    So, humbleness is in my eyes a very bad thing to have, because you undervalue your own achievements and try to make the people around you (other oriented) feel better by diminishing your own worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobbo Mon
    I like the way you explain that.
    Funny you should say that because I went back on my definition when I learnt that humility is, in fact, defined as "meekness".

    And meekness isn't a virtue, and can never be. No matter how hard "they" try to convince us it is.




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