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    Death by Giant Meteor - Neil DeGrasse Tyson

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    Death by Giant Meteor in 2036




    Deflecting a Giant Meteor




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    Yes, Original H... Me and my vague "calls to action"...
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    I hope they've calculated its trajectory right.

    That guy is a great public speaker.

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    i should like to point out, to the good people of fora.tv, whoever they may be, that the dude's book is actually titled "Death by Black Hole And Other Cosmic Quandaries"

    not "quandries"

    puh-lease

    as for this guy being a great public speaker... yawn

    he's certainly no carl sagan
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    Don't like the sound of this

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    Quote Originally Posted by r937 View Post
    i should like to point out, to the good people of fora.tv, whoever they may be, that the dude's book is actually titled "Death by Black Hole And Other Cosmic Quandaries"

    not "quandries"
    The misspelling can happen to anybody who writes a book. At some point the author loses the control over the process and becomes a victim of whatever is done to his work. I have been in those shoes with my work, it is horrible when that happens, but there is nothing you can do at that point unless you are in a power position of some kind.

    I like the man, he is a wonderful speaker, in contrast to the pompous speaking of Sagan, give me this man any time.
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    ulrike, the book is fine, it's the people at fora.tv who got it wrong (see image in post #1, and compare to book cover shown on amazon.com)

    the way tyson speaks, he's far too much in love with himself for my liking

    at least sagan had an appropriate amount of humility when talking about the universe
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    Quote Originally Posted by r937 View Post
    the way tyson speaks, he's far too much in love with himself for my liking

    at least sagan had an appropriate amount of humility when talking about the universe
    I love Tyson because he is wonderfully engaging and does not take himself too seriously, he allows for fallacy. I think he values himself, which he should

    Sagan pretended humility. I do not care for humility, humility in my view is not a virtue. Humility that is not genuine is even worse.

    Do not ask me to go into detail about this, I can not point to single incidences, it is just an impression I got over the years. Sagan started to grate on my nerves with this after a while. I also enjoyed watching him for the first few times, until I became aware of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Datura
    Sagan pretended humility. I do not care for humility, humility in my view is not a virtue. Humility that is not genuine is even worse.
    By the way, Datura.

    I've been meaning to pick this bone with you...


    Don't confuse humility with meekness. Meekness isn't a virtue. But humility can be important!

    Unless someone is humble, there's no way they can allow themselves to learn anything from others.

    I'm sure you must have come across people like that already. Persons who never seem to advance to the higher levels of whatever skill they practice because they're so convinced they're right, they completely shut out the valid advice and criticisms of others.

    Of course it's also true that you can't listen to every criticism or else you'd be going around in circles doing the same things over and over, and also never get confidence in your ability.

    But there has to be a balance somewhere, so I think a certain amount of humility is important.


    Not to be confused with meekness, which is just a sheer lack of backbone.




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    Not having humility does not mean being arrogant or not listening and learning. Humility to me means that you feel humbled by greatness or by vastness (as the universe) and feel small or insignificant in comparison. I admire greatness, but I am never humbled by it. I am in awe, but that is not being humble. Admiring greatness means that you strive to emulate if you can. Feeling humbled means that you have no pride in your own achievement.

    Humbleness to me means underestimating the capacity you have within yourself. We all have different interests and capabilities in certain fields, we should admire people who have gotten to the level of excellence in their area of knowledge. No question about that. We must also acknowledge that we can not know everything, that is only accepting the reality of who we are. But nobody should feel humbled. Humbleness goes along with many belief systems/philosophies for the purpose of keeping you small in your own mind so you become a willing follower. That lies also at the root of this idea that there must be more intelligent beings than we are somewhere out in space. I do not except that. Why can we - humans - not be the ones that have reached the highest level so far?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Datura
    That lies also at the root of this idea that there must be more intelligent beings than we are somewhere out in space. I do not except that. Why can we - humans - not be the ones that have reached the highest level so far?
    Hey they do it here too... camparing us as inferior to other Earth-bound animals. It's only natural that we'd think that way of other, distant beings as well.

    Remember the cougar?

    Maybe that's part of "human nature". Or maybe it's been fed to us too much of the years.



    I get what you're saying now. I looked up the definition of "humble" and apparently I had it wrong. They did actually define "humble" as "meekness". ha!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun(OfTheDead) View Post
    By the way, Datura.

    I've been meaning to pick this bone with you...


    Don't confuse humility with meekness. Meekness isn't a virtue. But humility can be important!

    Unless someone is humble, there's no way they can allow themselves to learn anything from others.

    I'm sure you must have come across people like that already. Persons who never seem to advance to the higher levels of whatever skill they practice because they're so convinced they're right, they completely shut out the valid advice and criticisms of others.

    Of course it's also true that you can't listen to every criticism or else you'd be going around in circles doing the same things over and over, and also never get confidence in your ability.

    But there has to be a balance somewhere, so I think a certain amount of humility is important.


    Not to be confused with meekness, which is just a sheer lack of backbone.




    I like the way you explain that. In my mind humility is definitely a virtue. Without it we have a whole world of people who won't listen to anyone but themselves which of course makes chaos. And of course Humility isn't meekness or weakness. Some of the strongest people I know are actually very humble and tolerant towards other people. It seems the more arrogant a person is the harder they fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobbo Mon View Post
    I like the way you explain that. In my mind humility is definitely a virtue. Without it we have a whole world of people who won't listen to anyone but themselves which of course makes chaos. And of course Humility isn't meekness or weakness. Some of the strongest people I know are actually very humble and tolerant towards other people. It seems the more arrogant a person is the harder they fall.
    Hahaha -- you are mixing up definitions here. Arrogance is not the opposite of humbleness. Tolerance has nothing to do with humbleness. Humbleness is the opposite of self assurance.

    Self assurance leads to tolerance. Arrogance is an overblown assessment of yourself.

    So, humbleness is in my eyes a very bad thing to have, because you undervalue your own achievements and try to make the people around you (other oriented) feel better by diminishing your own worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobbo Mon
    I like the way you explain that.
    Funny you should say that because I went back on my definition when I learnt that humility is, in fact, defined as "meekness".

    And meekness isn't a virtue, and can never be. No matter how hard "they" try to convince us it is.




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    He is a great speaker as well as Carl Sagan was too, they have different styles but, what it is more important, both of them get to engage the public and both explains everything in a very neat and clear way so they get the message across.

    About the subject... well, you can listen to the guy or you can watch Armageddon, I guess

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    That's what I think too.

    All I know of Carl Sagan is what I looked up on Youtube after molona told me about him.

    Yup... they're different types of speakers, but I won't say one is better than the other.

    As far as who they are (or were, in Sagan's case) in their own homes... well that doesn't matter to me.

    I still think Carl Sagan was the inspiration for Agent Smith, though. The similarity is too uncanny, Mr. Anderson.




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    All that aside though...

    I think in 2029, seeing that meteor pass by would look really cool !

    Below our orbiting satellites!... wow!




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    Well, assuming this thing does hit I better get my bad self out of here Kind of creepy considering he makes references to Malibu (where I work) and Santa Barbra (REALLY close to me). Me thinks I need to hurry up with moving to Japan and hoping this tsunami doesn't come to close to it...

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    Having second thoughts, and this is somehow related to the previous thread, if what Mr. Tyson says is true, and a meteor will hit the Earth and maybe kill life as it happened with dinosaurs.... well, that save us from discussing if humans will make it to Civilization Type I or II or III, because I don't think that in 28 years we will be able to leave Earth and live in Mars

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    Quote Originally Posted by molona View Post
    if what Mr. Tyson says is true, and a meteor will hit the Earth and maybe kill life as it happened with dinosaurs....
    then i am starting to drink, as of today




    oh, wait, i already do


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    Yet another dooms day possibility, this centry doesn't look bright!

    Thank goodness for escapism!!

    p.s. maybe we have finally found a use for all those nuclear weapons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro0bear
    p.s. maybe we have finally found a use for all those nuclear weapons!
    You're one of them!

    "Let's blow der sucka outta der sky."




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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun(OfTheDead) View Post
    You're one of them!

    "Let's blow der sucka outta der sky."




    Lol, I am one of the lets try and tow it off path, and if that fails, "Let's blow der sucka outta der sky!" as a back up.

    It would be a great excuse to get rid of all the worlds nuclear weapons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro0bear
    Lol, I am one of the lets try and tow it off path, and if that fails, "Let's blow der sucka outta der sky!" as a back up.

    It would be a great excuse to get rid of all the worlds nuclear weapons!
    In my head I'm thinking if I was the president of the United Nations' Zone of Interstellar Planning, I'd park a space-ship on the off-side of the Earth, waiting for the meteor to pass by, then fire nuclear rockets behind it (if deflection fails and it threads the "keyhole").

    Can't fire in front because pieces may be blasted back into Earth's path. Granted that could also happen if you fire from behind... Or a large piece could remain floating somewhere for Earth to trip over as she orbits. But I still think it's a better bet than firing from in front.

    Also, you make it sound as though there's a willingness for countries to get rid of their nuclear weapons. The nukes are playing-cards in a global game of poker. Half of the players are bluffing... the other half want the leverage so they can wager on the pot.

    I'm sure we at the United Nations' Zone of Interstellar Planning would need to make our own nukes for the job. There won't be any bureaucratic sponsorship or donations (of munitions) toward the cause. After all, planetary destruction doesn't put food on peoples' plates...




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