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    In memoriam gold trophysilver trophybronze trophy Dan Schulz's Avatar
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    You didn't mention that you were talking about the time before Google purchased YouTube, which is why I pointed it out.

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    my bad, should have made myself more clear


    anyways Google remains the 300 pound gorrilla who either crushes, copies or buys out the competition


    quick rundown of google products

    *youtube (was originaly competed against, then eventually was bought)
    *feedburner (same as above)
    *opensocial (a 1 finger gesture)
    *knol (same as above)
    *google docs (has anyone actually try to use this for any length of time? rubbish, compared to open office or even ms office)
    *gmail (good for most part, tho yahoo mail is nicer)
    *google search (good for most part, tho alot of results are spammed/seo to hell compared to yahoo or live search)
    *adwords( whats with the lack of transparency to advertisers?)
    *adsense( dont get me started )
    *analytics (top stuff, nothing to complain about)

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    I hope this doesn't affect the development or availability of YUI.

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    So what now? Has Yahoo accepts Microsoft's offer? When will we know?
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    In memoriam gold trophysilver trophybronze trophy Dan Schulz's Avatar
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    Something tells me they're going to tell Steve Ballmer to start throwing chairs again.

    Hope he's got enough.

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    I'd hardly say OpenSocial competes with facebook. One is an actual site / social network, the other is just a set of protocols to try and inter-link social networking sites.

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    I don't think the merge has a change. I don't like either one though so I don't care.

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    Assuming it does happen they're still not going to compare to google as shown by the statistics. But it was quite clear that buying some of the competition will gain a lot more market then working on making theirs better which has been suggested.
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    We shouldn't forget that Yahoo has approximately 1/3 of the global searches. This is a respectable number.
    Combined with Microsoft's experience and usual strategy of "wait till the dust settles" and you could potentially have a very serious threat for Google.
    I seriously think this is Balmer's way of establishing himself now that Bill is gone.

    just my 2 cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by siteflip View Post
    Combined with Microsoft's experience and usual strategy of "wait till the dust settles" and you could potentially have a very serious threat for Google.
    If anything, it would be Yahoo's experience not Microsoft's. Microsoft has not done well in this area and Yahoo was dwindling. Which is why I wonder if this is a matter of dinosaur's mating and it pulls both down into the primordial goo.

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    How much is google actually worth? Surely it's alot less that $42 billion.

    Why wouldn't Microsoft just buy out Google?
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    ^ My mistake, it's over 160 billion :O

    This seems pretty badly planned...

    Massive computer company who fails with search engines buys a comparitively small search engine company to compete with search engine giant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arkinstall View Post
    How much is google actually worth? Surely it's alot less that $42 billion.
    Google's worth over $148 billion.

    Ironically, I found that out via Yahoo Finance

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=GOOG
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    Quote Originally Posted by fordsho View Post
    Oh Man... Google Might be Toast If MS and Yahoo get together...
    I'm interested in why you think Google might be toast.

    I can see that with Microsoft and Yahoo no longer competing with each other, they can spend more resources competing with Google. On the other hand, Google would technically have one less competitor. PS I don't really know much about this.
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    Should be interesting to see what MS will do with Zimbra if this a acquisition goes through.

    Ms Exchange 2008 + Zimbra?

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    It's not $42 billion, it's $44.6 billion offer, That's not a small difference.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...,2161917.story

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    Quote Originally Posted by santha View Post
    It's not $42 billion, it's $44.6 billion offer, That's not a small difference.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...,2161917.story
    Aah, what do you know about shares, it can be 30 or 50 billion tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Schulz View Post
    Lack of capable and effective leadership, possible infighting among the various departments and employees, corporate culture clashes, "old" vs "new", lots of things really.

    Rather than wasting that money buying out their competitors though they should just spend it on creating quality products that people will actually want to use,and then make those products as good as they can be. And then don't restrict the employees from using Microsoft's "code culture" either. Just let them do their jobs.
    Exactly. It's about ideas and innovation. Yahoo is certainly better at that than MS, but Google has always had the better ideas and services. Typical Microsoft think, that sheer size and brute force will always win the day.

    Too bad, I was in the process of writing a PHP wrapper for the YUI framework, guess I'll switch to Spry or dojo since quality will probably take a dive.

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    it may not happen ,
    as i guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by santha View Post
    It's not $42 billion, it's $44.6 billion offer, That's not a small difference.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...,2161917.story
    Haha, def NOT a small difference

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    With the advent of web 2.0 the quality of google's search results have slowly been declining. If MS does acquire Yahoo I'd say they have they have a pretty fair shot at taking them down - or atleast attaining their level. Think how many users Yahoo will gain when the default IE homepage is Yahoo.

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    Not many. As far as I'm aware, the default IE homepage is MSN - how many people keep to that?

    What MSN and Yahoo! are both yet to grasp is that the most popular home pages (i.e. search engines) are basic pages with a search in the center.

    MSN and Yahoo! have cluttered pages full of news and updates, which we simply do not want. We want to open our browser and NOT get an information overload straight away. If we want news, we click on news. If we want weather, we click weather. If we want to use the net, we click our browser - we don't want the above shown aswell.

    Google (not mentioning iGoogle, which I use because I just love the feel of it, and that I can have what I want straight away - bookmarks, the daily joke and 3 daily quotes) is minimalist, ask.com is similar but with a nicer design, alltheweb.com is similar too.

    It looks like Microsoft have noticed, and they came up with Windows Live Search. It is more stipped than msn, but it still has the wrong feel to it.

    Improve the above, and they just might get a chance. But google is, and I think will always be, the best search engine by a long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by santha View Post
    It's not $42 billion, it's $44.6 billion offer, That's not a small difference.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...,2161917.story
    This discrepancy is explained in the article I linked to in the original post:

    Microsoft's $31-per-share offer -- $44.6 billion -- represented a 62 percent premium to Yahoo's closing price late Thursday, although it's below Yahoo's 52-week high of $34.08 reached less than four months ago. On Friday, the total value of the cash-and-stock deal fell to $41.7 billion, or $28.95 per share, because Microsoft's shares declined on the news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by e39m5 View Post
    With the advent of web 2.0 the quality of google's search results have slowly been declining.
    I don't understand how web 2.0 has anything to do with that. If anything, that's what Google is built upon.

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    @drhowrddrfine
    Maybe I'm the only one, but whenever I searching for recent user-aggregated content (which is very often) Google pulls up outdated static pages rather than the dynamic web 2.0 info I'm looking for. If a search engine can effectively do this, in my eyes it will have beaten Google. I'm assuming the only people with the funds and technology necessary to pull this off is probably Yahoo and Microsoft.

    @arkinstall
    As far as I'm aware, the default IE homepage is MSN - how many people keep to that?
    Obviously a helluvalot. Look at their Alexa ranking.

    What MSN and Yahoo! are both yet to grasp is that the most popular home pages (i.e. search engines) are basic pages with a search in the center.
    Who said? Where did this come from? Further into your post you state that not even you only want a basic page with a search in the center.

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