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    Best Way to Increase Real Traffic

    I get a half dozen or so visitors a day right now. Most leave me spam comments and thus are useless. I have submitted my blog to directories, and I am working on submitting to more. I don't know a thing about SEO and it looks rather complicated, but I'm willing to try if I must. Are there any other ways to increase traffic thats not looking to just leave spam?
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    Consistent quality posts. Over time they will encourage readers to subscribe to your RSS feed and continually check back and eventually comment. If possible link to specific posts in your signature here and in places like Yahoo answers. I know it is not a quick and easy solution but if your content is good you will get readers and comments.

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    Be patient and be focused. It will take time but surely there is success if you provide good quality niche content.

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    Find some keywords for topics your working on that have less sites listed in google. This way you can get some pages listed high in results and more traffic.

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    Better start learning SEO, that would really help you a lot. Don't think about SEO as a very hard thing to learn, start from little and you will become used to it in time.

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    You can start with our Search Engine Optimization FAQ

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    SEO isn't that difficult, it just takes time. It's interesting, how people wonder about how their sits still didn't get f.i. a higher pagerank but it's not that easy to get links etc.

    Good Luck

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    You can also do some stuff offline to coincide with your site. For example, find out if your local paper will take 'articles' (blog entries) from you and publish them...you might even make a few bucks off it.

    Publicity stunts are always good, and you can send out some press releases to announce it. You can also send out PRs to magazines, hoping they'll do a feature story on whatever expertise you have.

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    hi

    i an a new member of this forum but in my words i think the SEO is not effective now a days.bcos there are alot of companies offering SEO service and in a competative field we cant sure that we will get good traffic.The better way is to hire peoples who can bring you nice real traffic through signatures and also through other methods other than SEO.

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    SEO is overrated. (And so is a RSS feed.) It is easy to optimize your site, just like the so-called "experts" do, but keep in mind that everyone and their cousin is doing the same thing. Not everybody can be on the first or second page. It's basically the luck of the draw. It's a street brawl trying to get to the top.

    Optimize your site, of course, but don't focus on it. Focus on cheap advertising, and, different ways of getting your name out there. There are a lot of ways.

    But, if you are looking to make money from your site, you don't want to do methods that has you working more hours and getting paid less than a minimum-paid worker. Posting on message boards is a a good example. But, if you post anyway....

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hash9999 View Post
    i an a new member of this forum but in my words i think the SEO is not effective now a days.bcos there are alot of companies offering SEO service and in a competative field we cant sure that we will get good traffic.The better way is to hire peoples who can bring you nice real traffic through signatures and also through other methods other than SEO.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMoon32 View Post
    SEO is overrated. (And so is a RSS feed.) It is easy to optimize your site, just like the so-called "experts" do, but keep in mind that everyone and their cousin is doing the same thing. Not everybody can be on the first or second page. It's basically the luck of the draw. It's a street brawl trying to get to the top.

    Optimize your site, of course, but don't focus on it. Focus on cheap advertising, and, different ways of getting your name out there. There are a lot of ways.

    But, if you are looking to make money from your site, you don't want to do methods that has you working more hours and getting paid less than a minimum-paid worker. Posting on message boards is a a good example. But, if you post anyway....

    Good luck.
    Not only is not everyone and their cousin doing it but most of them are doing it ineffectively. Understanding how to use the search engines to get free traffic can be a a great and very rewarding FREE way to get lots of targeted traffic.

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    A lot of people know how to do it as it is not rocket science.

    It's the luck of the draw getting on the first couple of pages.

    And businesses with targeted ads and creative ways to get their name out there have far more success than engines that attract mostly window shoppers, people looking for free stuff, and whatnot. Ads bring in the same kind of visitors, but not nearly as much as overrated engines do.

    Optimze, but don't focus on it. And don't pay to have it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMoon32 View Post
    A lot of people know how to do it as it is not rocket science.
    Not true. If you hung around ths forum you would see most people have no clue what they're doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMoon32 View Post
    It's the luck of the draw getting on the first couple of pages.
    That's not true. Good content and hard work is what gets you there.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMoon32 View Post
    And businesses with targeted ads and creative ways to get their name out there have far more success than engines that attract mostly window shoppers, people looking for free stuff, and whatnot. Ads bring in the same kind of visitors, but not nearly as much as overrated engines do.
    If you can rank well for niche terms you can get lots of targeted traffic. You can rank well for a broader term you can gets an insane amount of traffic. All for free. So search engines aren't over-rated. They're powerful tools to drive traffic to your site if you know what you're dong.

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    "Not true. If you hung around ths forum you would see most people have no clue what they're doing."

    That's because they don't have that simple info, instructions given to them.

    I know a teenage girl who put up a website. She got on page one! lol She was lucky. Later she lost the spot by another lucky one.


    "If you can rank well for niche terms you can get lots of targeted traffic. You can rank well for a broader term you can gets an insane amount of traffic. All for free. So search engines aren't over-rated. They're powerful tools to drive traffic to your site if you know what you're dong."

    Businesses go for tens of thousands of TARGETED monthly hits via ads and creative ways of advertising. Not a few thousand (a couple of hundred or so a day), where most are window shoppers, people looking for free stuff.

    Optimize, but don't focus on it.


    By the way, what page is your URL on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMoon32 View Post
    "Not true. If you hung around ths forum you would see most people have no clue what they're doing."

    That's because they don't have that simple info, instructions given to them.

    I know a teenage girl who put up a website. She got on page one! lol She was lucky. Later she lost the spot by another lucky one.


    "If you can rank well for niche terms you can get lots of targeted traffic. You can rank well for a broader term you can gets an insane amount of traffic. All for free. So search engines aren't over-rated. They're powerful tools to drive traffic to your site if you know what you're dong."

    Businesses go for tens of thousands of TARGETED monthly hits via ads and creative ways of advertising. Not a few thousand (a couple of hundred or so a day), where most are window shoppers, people looking for free stuff.

    Optimize, but don't focus on it.


    By the way, what page is your URL on?
    So that's your test case? One teenage girl? And so anyone on page one gets there by luck?

    Although some people get lucky on their first go-round, most often when a new site is indexed, the engine may give it a few days "push". After that, it's probably sand-boxed until it shows that it has what it takes to be first page material.

    There isn't any magic and there is little luck involved on getting a page to move forward in the SERPs. It takes consistent hard work.

    The true thing you said is to optimize but don't focus on it if you are optimizing for SEs. Instead continually work to optimize your pages to give your readers the best experience you can deliver in your niche.
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    "So that's your test case? One teenage girl? And so anyone on page one gets there by luck?"

    Did I say it was? That was an example. And, yes, it is the luck of the draw.

    But all one has to do is look under a lot of keywords, and there will be sites with no or very little optimization on page one and two.

    Viagra is one of the biggest keywords, and we all know that thousands of knowledgable site owners know SEO, and or they hired the so-called "experts." You think they can all fit on page one, or, two, even? Thousands have done the same seo on their pages, with, God knows how many "experts" doing the same thing.



    "The true thing you said is to optimize but don't focus on it if you are optimizing for SEs. Instead continually work to optimize your pages to give your readers the best experience you can deliver in your niche."

    Instead continually work to give the visitors the best information to read. I knew we'd finally agree on something.



    purplefdu, did you go through al the posts in the thread on the top of this forum?

    http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22374

    You can also write up articles, quick tips, stories, both funny and serious and submit them to social networks, like Digg. Not to mention content sites where thousands can read them.

    Here's something neat you can talk about, and then submit it to various locations:

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=614566

    Look for such stuff.

    About social networks. Do NOT put a live link there! Talk about something, offer a helpful tip, or whatever, and casually throw in your URL amongst the text.

    It could be this: "Hey, guys, I say this really cool video I talk about in my blog, joeblog,com, and I thought I'd share it with you diggers. It's pretty funny. Enjoy!"

    Of couse there should be more text there, but you get me here.

    Or, you could submit for a month or so without your url. Put your name at the bottom, so they will recognize you every time you submit something. Later on include your url. But don't make it live.

    This will also help you from being "buried." People won't diss you and try to bury you if you submit some really cool and or helpful stuff, while at the same time not pushing your site.

    This isn't 100% full-proof, that is.

    Many get banned because they constantly submit stuff, while putting in their live link. It's spam, and Digg knows it. Though ther have been cases where some were unjustly banned.

    It could be on anything and everything. It doesn't necessarily have to do with anything about your site. If they like your stuff, many will go to your blog.

    Do the same when commenting in other blogs. Do NOT put a live link there with just a few sentences! Genuinely give help, and put in your url that isn't live. This will make it look like that you are there to actually help, to participate, instead of just advertising your url.

    I read this comment in a blog:

    "with regard to how many posts should a blogger post - I’ve written on the topic previous here. Hope that gives a good idea of what I think."

    That's all he had.

    The "I’ve written on the topic previous here." was a link to his blog. Irritating! He should have instead shared it with the readers there, and then put in his url amongst the text. Or, put his name and his url at the end.

    Just like Digg, post a while before putting in your url.

    Remember that thread on that high school girl who quit after making thousands of dollars? You could talk about that, and then advertise it, both on and offline. Get people's opinions on such stories, get them involved in your blog.

    How about that thread bloggernoob started. http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=518730

    You can talk about his success. It is a small one, but it is still a success.

    Advertise such real-life experiences.

    When it coems to blogging, talk about successful people, and soon you will be too.

    When it comes to blogging, talk about how others make money, and soon you will be making it too.

    THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX!

    Put up a "send to a friend" form off to the side of your blog to get word of mouth going. Put it right in front of their face. Make it easy for them! A lot of people are lazy.

    You could go to yahooanswers. Help others out, while citing such stories. Try to be funny, likeable, at the same time. The more people who like you, who laugh along with your comments, the higher the odds of them going to your blog.

    You could check out the directories for blogs. Look for "blog carnivals."

    You could put in a small how-to article or a Internet success story in your paper, and tell them that there will be a new one every week. After awhile the paper may give you a feature story. Once you have more money, repeat it in other newspapers.

    Have you tried pay per click ads all over the place? That's how JohnChow.com got going. Along with submitting stuff to Digg. Word of mouth then took over.

    By the way, study his site and shoemoney.com's. Pick it apart, page by page and STUDY it.

    Help out others or put in worthwhile posts in other's blogs.

    Did you get your site critiqued? Did you ask them if this is the kind of site that they would come back, time after time???

    You aren't talking about rockettheproft,com, are you? Because if you are, cousin, you need to change that whole thing around. It looks too much like the typical sales page that people steer away from.

    If it isn't, then post your blog to get critiques.

    Get an account going at MySpace, and put a duplicate of your blog in there. Get people talking about it over there too. Then bring them all over to your real blog.

    Invite your present visitors to submit a piece of their own. Get them involved!

    Put in videos of anything and everything. Then advertise them.

    This one is sneaky, but go to the big message boards to contact the members there. Tell them that you have read their past posts, and would value their opinion on a piece you put in your blog. Prasie them.

    Put aside one hour a day doing this. Before too long you may have one hell of a long list of people going there, just from this method.

    Anyway, there are more things you can do, so good luck out there.

    I didn't mention about giving stuff away because your goal is to make money, not give it away. Unless it is something that is free to you. The mooches, and the site hoppers who don't stay very long at any one site will take it and keep on a walkin.' But, hell, try it anyway.
    Last edited by BlueMoon32; Dec 23, 2007 at 12:19.

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    I forgot to mention Darren's great tips on how to get more readers for your blog - teh same tips may apply to normal websites, I'm sure of it.

    http://www.problogger.net/archives/2...for-your-blog/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMoon32 View Post
    "Not true. If you hung around ths forum you would see most people have no clue what they're doing."

    That's because they don't have that simple info, instructions given to them.

    I know a teenage girl who put up a website. She got on page one! lol She was lucky. Later she lost the spot by another lucky one.


    "If you can rank well for niche terms you can get lots of targeted traffic. You can rank well for a broader term you can gets an insane amount of traffic. All for free. So search engines aren't over-rated. They're powerful tools to drive traffic to your site if you know what you're dong."

    Businesses go for tens of thousands of TARGETED monthly hits via ads and creative ways of advertising. Not a few thousand (a couple of hundred or so a day), where most are window shoppers, people looking for free stuff.

    Optimize, but don't focus on it.


    By the way, what page is your URL on?
    I usually enjoy debating SEO with other members but you went on such a clueless rant that I can't bring myself to do it this time. I think it's obvious you are pretty clueless about SEO so I don't feel a need to correct or clarify your explanations. Hopefully one day you'll take the time to really learn and understand SEO and what it really means.

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    Ok, thanks.

    Bu bye now.

    Good post, cifra. I had forgotten about that one. That's another good source. There is so much out there, one can't possibly fail. Well, you would think.

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    I use SEO for my business, web development. I have 80% of my business from SERP.

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    you could try AdWord, works pretty good

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    I just want to add my 2 cents about SEO.

    It's actually not luck at all, it only seems that way because there's no direct method of testing things.

    Optimization is only about 10% of getting good rankings. The other 90% is getting high quality incoming links pointing to your well optimized content. Optimization simply accurately matches a page to search queries, but links tell google and other search engines that the content is actually worthwhile (just as a human would determine it's worth while if lots of other people are talking about it). The three best things you can do for optimization are:

    1. target keywords in the URL of the page
    2. target keywords in the title tags of the page
    3. target keywords in h1 and h2 tags

    The hard part is getting pages with high pagerank to link back to your content/site with high quality links.

    A high quality link is determined by:

    1. matching keywords in the actual link text
    2. one of only a few links on the page that is linking to you (the more links, the less value each link has)
    3. the linking page having a high pagerank itself.

    The more competitive a keyword is, the more incoming links from pages with high pagerank you will need to get near the top.

    I have been able to get my content onto the top of google for virtually every keyword/phrase I want by optimizing pages correctly, and trying my best to get other sites to link to my content. Granted my target keywords and phrases are not very competitive, but it doesn't matter, as the technique is the same.

    Also, the age of your domain can have a lot to do with it as well. We weren't getting listed at all in google for the first 6 months, then after that, we started hitting near the top.

    Over 30% of our traffic comes from search engines.

    It's VERY valuable if you make the effort!

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    Hey, AgmLauncher.

    What would you say to the thousands who did the same thing as you, and they are not listed?

    Sorry, but you aren't the only one who knows how to do this. Thousands more do too. They did it just like you. And they can't all fit on page one, or, two, even.

    What would you say to the ones who were listed on page one, but are no longer? And they didn't do ANYTHING wrong.

    What would you say to the ones who ARE listed, but they didn't do ANY SEO or link building?

    I've seen plenty of sites listed high, and they didn't do anything. I have spoken to a couple of them, and they just laughed. They agree with me.

    Sorry, but it is the luck of the draw. Computers do the damndest things, too.

    You think it works if one puts forth the effort because YOU are listed. But there are, God knows, how many others who did the same thing as you, probably more so, and they aren't.

    It's just an illusion for so many readers out there because all they read are posts like yours. Of course folks like you are going to say it works, but what about the others who didn't get listed?

    So it just makes it seem that SEO is right on.

    And, if IF one does get on page one, it doesn't mean a path to a lot of free advertising that then turns into not even enough money to pay the utility bills. Plenty know this as they are, or, WERE on page one.

    You have the window shoppers, the site hoppers who don't buy anything, surfers looking for free stuff....

    In addition, a webmaster does not get thousands of daily hits from search engines. Not even close. Shoot, from one source, a serious advertiser gets many times the amount search engines would give.

    How do I know all of this? As a marketer and writer for Webmasters, the past year I have spoken with Google, Yahoo, Webmasters, both old and new, my past experiences, I have looked at an array of different search terms and seen a lot of sites listed that shouldn't be there, adn the ones who are no longer there and should still be there....

    Plus, I use my brain, common sense! :-)~

    I'm not saying to not optimize the pages, AgmLauncher. Hell even I have done it. People, shouldn't focus on it. Focus more on cheap, targeted advertising, and savvy ways to get the word out, and, word of mouth.

    Not even that many big businesses worry about it. They know that it is basically overrated. Even if they do get listed, they know that the hits won't be as much as the like.

    THAT'S the reality.

    But, hey, we can agree to disagree. No biggie. :-)

    What is your URL, and what pages are you on for all those terms you spoke of?

    Have a good Sunday.

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    What would you say to the thousands who did the same thing as you, and they are not listed?
    Lots of reasons.

    1. Maybe more competitive keywords or phrases
    2. They THINK they did a good job optimizing, but they didn't
    3. Their site wasn't around long enough
    4. They don't have as many links as they think they do.
    5. They have lots of links, but the links are very low quality
    • One of hundreds of links
    • Linking pages have low page rank
    • Links/keywords don't really match up with the destination (a page about shoes linking to a page about elephants etc)


    What would you say to the ones who were listed on page one, but are no longer? And they didn't do ANYTHING wrong.
    They could have lost links when google re-indexed other sites and the links were no longer registered. This happens frequently when a link to content makes the front page of a high page ranking blog, and then once it moves off page 1, the link loses a lot of its value. Again, there are many reasons.

    What would you say to the ones who ARE listed, but they didn't do ANY SEO or link building?
    You don't have to do link building the hard way if your content is "viral" enough that other people link to it. You can do things right without even knowing about it.

    Sorry, but it is the luck of the draw. Computers do the damndest things, too.

    You think it works if one puts forth the effort because YOU are listed. But there are, God knows, how many others who did the same thing as you, probably more so, and they aren't.

    It's just an illusion for so many readers out there because all they read are posts like yours. Of course folks like you are going to say it works, but what about the others who didn't get listed?
    See my reply to the first quote in this post. There are a myriad of reasons why people aren't being listed. If it was luck of the draw, then do you honestly think SEO would be a multi-million dollar microcosm of an industry? Companies invest a lot of money into SEO, and it does pay off for them, and the ones that do things right, get results.

    In addition, a webmaster does not get thousands of daily hits from search engines. Not even close. Shoot, from one source, a serious advertiser gets many times the amount search engines would give.
    Is that why I get nearly 8,000 visits from Google alone? And the people who visit actually view 8 pages on average? I get 64,000 pageviews a day from Google, which is 36% of the site's total daily traffic.

    Why? Because my optimized content acts as RELEVANT landing pages, which are specifically engineered to get people to dig deeper into the site (btw, my site is an informational resource, monetized solely by advertising, so pageviews are like gold).

    I'm not saying to not optimize the pages, AgmLauncher. Hell even I have done it. People, shouldn't focus on it. Focus more on cheap, targeted advertising, and savvy ways to get the word out, and, word of mouth.
    There's no reason NOT to focus on it if you know how to do it yourself. I agree that you should do a very careful cost/benefit analysis if you want to pay a company to it for you, but if you can do it yourself, it can make a big difference.

    I agree that it's not as good as some solid word of mouth and viral results, but if you're not selling anything on your site, it's 1000000000000000000x better than spending money on advertising when advertising is how you make money yourself.

    Not even that many big businesses worry about it. They know that it is basically overrated. Even if they do get listed, they know that the hits won't be as much as the like.

    What is your URL, and what pages are you on for all those terms you spoke of?

    Have a good Sunday.
    http://gamereplays.org/

    Do a search for terms like

    "command and conquer 3 replays"
    "call of duty 4 strategies"
    "starcraft 2 zerg"
    "company of heroes replays"
    "kane's wrath fansite"
    ....
    Basically any real time strategy game + replays or strategies and we will be ranked #1 or at least on the first page. There are loads more even more specialized and targeted phrases which point to more specific landing pages on the site.

    We've even done a head/tail analysis on our search engine traffic and we have a very small head, and quite a large/long tail. This means we get more targeted traffic than we do people searching for our brand name if they can't remember our URL.

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    Ok, thanks for the links.

    But, in reply to your post. There are a lot who have done the same thing you have done: Your HTML code, the number of sites linking to you, the text on your site... There is nothing new there.

    We all can't fit on page one, or, two, even.

    Come on, man, do you honstly think that you and the ones who are on page one and two are the ONLY ones in the entire Internet world who know how to do SEO like that??? Uh-huh.

    Come on, bud, think. You were lucky. That's all there was to it. And it cannot be explained why you, among thousands doing the same thing got a high rank in those terms. Even Google and Yahoo can't explain it.

    Man, I wish I was lucky like that!

    Ever heard of Valerie Wilson? She won the New York State lotto...twice.

    Some people have all the luck! :-)~


    "They could have lost links when google re-indexed other sites and the links were no longer registered. This happens frequently when a link to content makes the front page of a high page ranking blog, and then once it moves off page 1, the link loses a lot of its value. Again, there are many reasons."

    No, I'm afraid not. It was none of that. That's just the way it goes with their search engines. Google has even said that. Search engine computers have no rhyme or reason to it.

    And there are still plenty of sites out there that did no SEO and link building, and they are ranked high.

    I hate to say this, but it is pretty laughable to see such sites that I know are next to sites that its Webmasters spent money for to be ranked high. OUCH!


    "If it was luck of the draw, then do you honestly think SEO would be a multi-million dollar microcosm of an industry? Companies invest a lot of money into SEO, and it does pay off for them, and the ones that do things right, get results."

    The reason it is a multi-million dollar microcosm of an industry is becasue there are a lot of people who don't use their common sense. They honestly think that if they do SEO, they will get on page one. Maybe, maybe not, but they don't think that others, thousands, who also know how to do SEO are doing it too.

    A lot of guys bought, and are still buying p e n i s enlargement supplements. Does that mean it works?

    Nearly 8,000 from Google alone in those terms???

    So this figure of theirs is wrong?

    http://siteanalytics.compete.com/gam...org/?metric=uv

    I know their data on sites isn't accurate, of course, but when they are off, it isn't by as much as you are saying you get, and what they are showing. Just from Google alone, you say it is, around, 240,000 a month? Around 8,000 a day. And their figure is at that? That much of a gap???

    Maybe they are off by quite a bit this time?


    Anyway, thanks again for your links. Nice site. The best of luck with it, and have a good night.
    Last edited by BlueMoon32; Dec 30, 2007 at 21:51.


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