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    Another "Why did Netscape mess this up?"

    http://www.sandiegopegasus.com/coaches.php

    Looks great in Explorer, but Netscape 4.79 messes it up.

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    Every time questions like this are asked, I answer the same thing:

    NS4 is a stinking pile of non-standards-compliant donkey excrement.

    Don't try to make your site work in NS4 - it's futile. Forget that browser, and you will be a much more happy person. Judging from the browser stats (compare usage now to usage last year) it will soon be gone.

    Code for the standards, and your site will work fine in IE5, NS6+ and Opera.
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    line 27 should have a <tr>, you've forgot to open a new row.

    And a whole load of other html errors, run your page through the validator athttp://validator.w3.org/ and fix most of the errors.

    There nothing that I can see on that page that shouldn't work in netscape.

    even though it is a steaming pile of donkey excrement
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    I just have to ask the question. How many people still use Netscape 4.XX?
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    personally, no i wouldn't touch the thing, but I've got at least two sites with almost 30% netscape usage. The rest hover around 5-10%, which is still enough for me to take seriously although I won't bust my *** to make everything look exactly the same.

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    Originally posted by limmystar
    I just have to ask the question. How many people still use Netscape 4.XX?
    Um... I posted a link to the current browser stats in my post above...
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    Wanna-be Apple nut silver trophy M. Johansson's Avatar
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    Originally posted by 19nine78
    personally, no i wouldn't touch the thing, but I've got at least two sites with almost 30% netscape usage. The rest hover around 5-10%, which is still enough for me to take seriously although I won't bust my *** to make everything look exactly the same.
    Holy guacamole! You are one unlucky sod. Just out of curiosity, why do you say "Netscape users" and no "NS4 users" and "NS6 users"? There is all the difference in the world!
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    why do you say "Netscape users" and no "NS4 users" and "NS6 users"?
    I should have been more clear, thats 30% NS4 users, can't recall what NS6 usage is but I wish it was far higher!!

    One of the reasons is the audience of the site and where they access it from. We're guessing that most of the visitors are accessing it from work or university computer labs, hence the large bias towards older browsers.

    It doesn't really cause a problem, since the site is basic in design and layout, but pulls a fairly large audience due to it's content.

    the url is24-7mtb

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    Wow, ok, I will validate it. The page is created froma database, so I am sure I missed some tags here and there.

    The reason why I care about Netscape is because I have already had a few people tell me they couldn't see the forums. It was because there was one upclosed table tag. So, I know people that view this site use Netscape.

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    Originally posted by limmystar
    I just have to ask the question. How many people still use Netscape 4.XX?
    Me.....(4.71) and Konquerer, Mozilla & Opera (5.11).

    I judge potential developers (my responsibilty to hire & co-ordinate) on a number of things, not least of which is the cross browser compatibility of their sites. Lazy coding = no contract. Simple really.
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    NS4.xx users - libraries, schools, government people and anything to do with education hence about 99.99% of my viewers!

    Basically though regardless of whether it works in NS isn't the issue more the fact that you don't have correct code !

    NS is more stringent (sp?) about missing tags hence maybe why it didn't work, see how it goes after code checking it.

    probably worth getting yourself a copy of NS4.7 as its the worst one for 'weird things', that way you can check for yourself and not have people emailing you if they cannot see the site.

    Old NS browsers : home.netscape.com/download.archive/index.html

    but remember its up to you whether you want NS4.x users to view it
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    I have an old laptop with NS 4.08 that I use for checking, as well as a Desktop with Konqueror and another with IE 5.5. One of my partners does the IE 6 and NS 6 checking.

    I agree that you have to at least take a look just to ensure basic functionality and content presentation.

    You can't get everyone out there to upgrade to a Ver. 6 browser - half of them really would have no idea how to.



    My experience is that in general, NS is very picky about table tags.

    95% of the problems usually involve tables.

    Nesting tables, background attributes, and any whitespace between tags and content will all mess things up royally.


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