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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyflower View Post
    That is fantastic, considering it was released in 2005! It does show that you can succeed in your business if you have a plan and the dedication to do it!
    Older than that. I was using version 1.2 back in summer 2004 and lets not forget that WP is a fork of b2 which is even older.

    edit: unless you're talking about wordpress.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgarcia View Post
    Older than that. I was using version 1.2 back in summer 2004 and lets not forget that WP is a fork of b2 which is even older.

    edit: unless you're talking about wordpress.com
    Ah yes, the good old days, I remember using 0.72 after Matt and Mike forked it from b2.

    Like anything, build for users, encourage participation, be lucky enough to be an alternative when your competition goes commercial, stay free but offer a premium service - all good reasons for WP's success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgarcia View Post
    Older than that. I was using version 1.2 back in summer 2004 and lets not forget that WP is a fork of b2 which is even older.

    edit: unless you're talking about wordpress.com
    Do you mean to say he fibbed in the interview?
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    The interview is right in stating that he started Automatic in 2005, but Wordpress was around well before that.
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    wordpress is a piece of stinking garbage

    Serendipity strikes. Here's my take on WordPress, and the fans won't like it.

    For quite some time, as in more than a year, it seemed that exiting blogs caused other windows open by the browser to freeze. This is from multiple machines running IE6.

    The prime suspect was wordpress.

    Finally, two nights ago, I had a reproducable path.

    Search on a phrase in Google.

    Open a specific result page in another window.

    Navigate to a link on same blog to read a related article.

    Close window.

    This resulted in all other open browser windows corrupted with a cursor that did not recognise navigation links.

    By viewing the source code, I eliminated all external javascript code and iframe code as suspects. This involved pointing the host name of the suspect server to a dead server to avoid loading the content.

    Even after all of this, the freezing was still happening.

    Finally, all that was left was a wordpress plugin.

    Avoiding the plugin requires disabling javascript.

    Once javascript was disabled, the freezing was eliminated.

    So, just because I *might* find a blog article that *might* be worth reading in my searchs and that blog *might* be wordpress, I am forced to run with javascript disabled by default.

    I have had too many search result pages frozen by wordpress blogs to be able to do otherwise. All because blog owners love plugging in the latest greatest piece of garbage code, untested plugin.

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    Ah yes, the good old days, I remember using 0.72 after Matt and Mike forked it from b2.
    It always sticks in my craw when open source gets commercialised.

    The article did not mention B2. Rather, it leaves the impression that WordPress was started from scratch as a sole effort by the subject of the interview. No mention of the predecessor body of code. No mention of contributors. Just two guys coding away. Yeah, right.

    Somehow, plagiarism is a great accomplishment in the Web 2.0 world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plumsauce View Post
    It always sticks in my craw when open source gets commercialised.

    The article did not mention B2. Rather, it leaves the impression that WordPress was started from scratch as a sole effort by the subject of the interview. No mention of the predecessor body of code. No mention of contributors. Just two guys coding away. Yeah, right.

    Somehow, plagiarism is a great accomplishment in the Web 2.0 world.

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    To be fair, it's origins are stated on it's own website, and I have never seen a conscious effort to hide them.

    The core is still open source, and I for one don't besmirch those who saw a commercial opportunity and went for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plumsauce View Post
    So, just because I *might* find a blog article that *might* be worth reading in my searchs and that blog *might* be wordpress, I am forced to run with javascript disabled by default.

    I have had too many search result pages frozen by wordpress blogs to be able to do otherwise. All because blog owners love plugging in the latest greatest piece of garbage code, untested plugin.
    So one bad plugin (I assume not written by a WP developer) is your reason to despise the whole platform?

    Thats like saying you hate your car because you installed a $100 stereo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by plumsauce View Post
    So, just because I *might* find a blog article that *might* be worth reading in my searchs and that blog *might* be wordpress, I am forced to run with javascript disabled by default.
    Life can be so unfair eh
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    Quote Originally Posted by plumsauce View Post
    So, just because I *might* find a blog article that *might* be worth reading in my searchs and that blog *might* be wordpress, I am forced to run with javascript disabled by default ... because blog owners love plugging in the latest greatest piece of garbage code ...
    What plugin is this? I haven't noticed this before.

    And besides, that's not the fault of the platform, that's the fault of the idiot using the plugins.

    Ryan,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post
    They're building a huge blog network that their TOS says they can place advertising on at any time. If they do contract development work, I'm sure they get more than they can handle as the developers of WP as well.
    Erm, no they're not. And, no it doesn't.

    Not to be an ***, but as one of the largest WP-based companies in the world I can tell you that they aren't building a blog network (since we are one, and we have a non-compete with the Automattic team).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanhellyer View Post
    What plugin is this? I haven't noticed this before.

    And besides, that's not the fault of the platform, that's the fault of the idiot using the plugins.

    Ryan,
    To be fair, it's the fault of the plugin author, not the user. And, of course, the browser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy W. View Post
    Not to be an ***, but as one of the largest WP-based companies in the world I can tell you that they aren't building a blog network (since we are one, and we have a non-compete with the Automattic team).
    Don't they already have a huge blog network?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo_dk View Post
    Don't they already have a huge blog network?
    No, but a fairly common misconception.

    Wordpress.com is simply an implementation of WordPress Multi-User (MU). WPMU is just a way to host multiple blogs on one database.

    So all WordPress.com is, in short, is a free blog hosting site. Lots of nifty features, paid upgrades, etc. But it isn't a "network" of blogs, since it doesn't own them, doensn't interlink them, doesn't promote them, etc.
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    I'm using WordPress right now and really enjoy it. Glad to see it's having some success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy W. View Post
    No, but a fairly common misconception.

    Wordpress.com is simply an implementation of WordPress Multi-User (MU). WPMU is just a way to host multiple blogs on one database.

    So all WordPress.com is, in short, is a free blog hosting site. Lots of nifty features, paid upgrades, etc. But it isn't a "network" of blogs, since it doesn't own them, doensn't interlink them, doesn't promote them, etc.
    Ah...I see. I get your definition of 'network'. But if you go to the frontpage of Wordpress.com, it has an aggregator which promotes the blogs, and all the blogs on it are owned by Automatic AFAIK. Doesn't that qualify that as a blog network?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo_dk View Post
    Ah...I see. I get your definition of 'network'. But if you go to the frontpage of Wordpress.com, it has an aggregator which promotes the blogs, and all the blogs on it are owned by Automatic AFAIK. Doesn't that qualify that as a blog network?
    No more than a hospital being a "doctor's co-op"

    Blog networking's an industry. Just like Federated Media isn't a blog network (they're an ad network that republishes some of their clients' content). WordPress.com is a hosting platform. They have no desire to get into content, distribution, syndication, promotion, etc.

    The bloggers on WP.com and Automattic have no ties. Automattic has no rights on their blogs. And the only "networking" is social network-style (top users, top contributors, top friends, etc).

    Really, WP.com is a social network based on content (instead of relationships) more than it's a blog network.

    Again, not trying to be an ***, but the term "blog network" is incredibly specific (and, as an industry, the companies who encompass that term generate more than 250M$/year in revenue)

    Mainly I was commenting to note that Automattic had no plans to form a network, nor did it (or could it) place ads on blogs based on the current TOS (feel free to read it for yourself, there isn't a single mention of advertising)
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    Does not really help me in anything.. but good to know.

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    Great ideas always pay. Congratz the wordpress "founder" and its employees for this achievement.

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    Well, whether they're a blog network or not, their platform is great but how do they compare to blogger? What % does blogger have?

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    It would be interesting to see what percentage Blogger has. Personally I would always go for a self-hosted Wordpress blog over Blogger regardless purely for reasons of flexibility. There's so many themes and plugins available for Wordpress that you get a much greater level of customization and you are able to "tweak" it to work exactly as you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyflower View Post
    Do you mean to say he fibbed in the interview?
    well, he was referring to the wordpress.com service which came out in mid 2005. the wordpress software(available at wordpress.org) is older, it came out in late 2003, I came across it in early 2004 & since 1st april 2004 it has powered my blog. and like vinne said, wordpress is a fork of b2 which is even older & was discontinued in 2003 I think & 2 forks came out of that; wordpress & b2evolution.
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