getting listed

**phanie12.geo** · Dec 29, 1999, 19:28

I'm at a loss. I have a pretty good site that gets an "excellent" rating in the web site gargage/inspector, etc. I am listed on Yahoo, but I need to get listed everywhere else and can't. I have been submitting to Alta Vista about once a week or two and have been ignored by them and everyone else. Is there a secret? I read and research and try everything suggested. Is everything just at a stand still right now? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Stephanie http://www.lingeriemonthly.com

**DynaMike** · Dec 29, 1999, 23:28

Not all engines support frames. You may want to consider a splash page, or do away with frames all together.

Why are you using frames? If you feel it's necessary, then a splash page will do the trick. If your navigation will not be hurt by doing away with them, then you should.

I don't know what research you have done, but try taking a look at http://www.searchenginewatch.com. They have a list of what each engine supports in the way of frames, meta tags, etc.

Good luck!
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[This message has been edited by DynaMike (edited December 30, 1999).]

**Penzucci** · Dec 30, 1999, 08:53

I hate spash pages... I fill like I'm loosing my time.

So I never use them. Just try to optimize the <NOFRAMES> tag as I'm building a completely separate page.

It's always good (also if you don't have frames) to prepare good backdoor pages for as much keywords you need! (think I'll repeat this phrase for the years coming!

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**phanie12.geo** · Dec 30, 1999, 12:39

OK, now I'm really confused. All this time I thought I knew what frames were...I guess I don't and I didn't think I had any on my pages. I know about that rule of thumb. I tought myself HTML from books and maybe missed the concept of frames. Please tell me what exactly on my pages constitutes a frame and I will remove them right away! Thank you.

**phanie12.geo** · Dec 30, 1999, 12:42

Penzucci,

Can you give me an example of a good backdoor page? Thank you. Stephanie

**DynaMike** · Dec 30, 1999, 17:20

Clean out your cache and point your browser to your site on the Internet. Veiw the source code. You, hopefully will see the same thing I saw, a frameset page.

After doing a whois query, I find that your domain is hosted at MyDomain.com and that your content is actually on a Geocities server. This gives the average visitor the idea that all of your documents and images on on your own server. When you surf your site, does your address bar change depending on what page you are on? It doesn't. This is accomplished by using frames.

Consider moving your site to a host that will let you put all of your own documents and images on one server, under one domain. Since you are trying to make money selling products, I'd really recommend not using a free host, as those pop up banners might give people the wrong impression.

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[This message has been edited by DynaMike (edited December 30, 1999).]

**phanie12.geo** · Dec 30, 1999, 17:53

I thought that frames were splitting a single web page into separate panes. And I htought you had to put a <FRAMESET> attribute in your page to have it. I don't understand how I can have frames if I did not put it there, also I did not see <FRMAESET> in my source code as you had suggested.

**Oki** · Jan 1, 2000, 22:14

It appears that your domain name host is placing you content inside of a frame page so that your visitors don't see that the content is comming from geocities. This is what I saw when I looked at the source code: (you must view the source from ther file menu. right clicking and choosing view source won't show you what is going on.

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>LingerieMonthly: sexy lingerie-of-the-month subscription service, sexy lingerie</TITLE>
<META NAME="keywords" CONTENT="lingerie, sexy, gift, lingeri, sexy lingerie, birthday, anniversary, christmas, valentine's day, wife, girlfriend">
<META NAME="description" CONTENT="We deliver sexy lingerie to her doorstep each month, beautifully gift-wrapped and enclosed with a romantic note.">
</HEAD>

<FRAMESET ROWS="100%,*" BORDER="0" FRAMEBORDER="0" FRAMESPACING="0">
<FRAME NAME="MYTOPFRAME" SRC="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Quarter/3223/home.html" MARGINHEIGHT="1" MARGINWIDTH="1" SCROLLING="AUTO" FRAMEBORDER="0" NORESIZE>

<NOFRAMES>
<BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF"><P><H3>Welcome to LINGERIEMONTHLY.COM</H3>
<P>
We deliver sexy lingerie to her doorstep each month, beautifully gift-wrapped and enclosed with a romantic note.<P><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Quarter/3223/home.html">Click Here</A> to access our page.<P>You are using a Browser that does not support Frames. Please update it.
</BODY>
</NOFRAMES>
</FRAMESET>
</HTML>

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**Penzucci** · Jan 7, 2000, 12:06

phanie12.geo

try a visit to (in Italian optimized for the keyword "Rap Italiano") http://www.peb-web.com/CIRI/rapitaliano.htm or http://www.webposition.com/webposition.htm (it seems a "real page" isn't it?) but try to find how many keywords it does contain!

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**mazez2000** · Jan 16, 2000, 20:40

Search engines usually not indexed web sites with frames. If search engine indexing 3 level of pages - it may incorrect indexing that.

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**Trevor Wilson** · Jan 20, 2000, 07:40

hmm from personal experience i found that the best ways round frames problems are

1) extensive use of the "no frames" option
this seems to be accepted by a lot of robots

2) I have offered both frame and "non-frame" options on my pages, officially for users with very old browsers, and submitted these pages to the engines.

3) Use of doorway pages, although this is rumoured to predujice yahoo against listing you, id be interested to hear if one of the more experienced guys thinks this is the case

Thanks

Trev

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