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    Its personal choice and whatever you decide is right.

    perspective:

    chances are that a hard line Republican would not do a website for a Democrat who is challenging his favorite candidate.

    but there is always the chance that he may put personal prefrences aside and design the website. I all boils down to personal choice.

    btw, if he did design the website he may pefer not to make his descision known to his fellow republicans which is perfectly ok.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenw View Post
    chances are that a hard line Republican would not do a website for a Democrat who is challenging his favorite candidate.
    Just out of curiosity, do you think that a hard-line Democrat would do a website for a Republican who is challenging his favorite candidate?
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    I think people's underlying philosophy that makes them either left or right leaning politically will reflect also in what a person likes, how a design is done. Chances are that extreme one sided people will not go to a person of the other persuasion, because the previous work will not appeal to them in the first place.
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    Datura,

    Actually the latest site I was offered to do was an escort service for a young woman. Quite possible to make this a beautiful even romantic website, but I turned it down a few days ago, I just couldnīt relate myself working on this. Even though Iīm very open-minded, I just donīt feel comfortable working on a site like that, even though sheīs beautiful. I have plenty of other offers in other areas, so no harm done. Maybe in the future I will change my mind, I really need work that I can use in my portfolio for everyone to see.

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    This is an interesting challenge actually. wii, you talk about adult sites, are they actually porn or just on the edge of it? Of course some people consider a nude body as porn, but as you stated, in your country (and in my original one) this is hardly a problem.

    I would take the job if it was not hard core stuff and try to make it beautiful and not seedy. Take it on as a challenge and see if you can create something that is not off putting to the people who are somewhat open minded. Turn it into a romantic something.

    Then you might actually be able to use it in your portfolio, otherwise forget it. Too many people are not tolerant in this area and they would turn you away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wii View Post
    Datura,

    Actually the latest site I was offered to do was an escort service for a young woman. Quite possible to make this a beautiful even romantic website, but I turned it down a few days ago, I just couldnīt relate myself working on this. Even though Iīm very open-minded, I just donīt feel comfortable working on a site like that, even though sheīs beautiful. I have plenty of other offers in other areas, so no harm done. Maybe in the future I will change my mind, I really need work that I can use in my portfolio for everyone to see.
    I can understand you not relating to it. I could. I am a woman of course, and I would have put my mind into the situation and created something very beautiful and somewhat seductive without being ordinary.

    But it is your work, it is you who has to live with it down the road, and so you must be comfortable with it. It is ok either way really I am glad that you told us.
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    sagewing, yes it works both ways, I was just pointing out that it is a personal decision, me, I possibly maybe could do a site for a republican ;-).

    but I would feel uncomfortable doing an adult site and have tuned down some that would have paid good, I also have some high profile clients and if it was ever learned that their web designer also did adult sites it would be front page news.

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    Its still depends on you whether to take it or not, for me I had an experience designing and promoting adult sites..well it's easy and pretty much say it has good pay just think about it as a job and also money talks here. But however it's still an adult sites hehe, your the designer but still you can never resist to imagine something you can view.

    Now, i'm out of adult sites (see my sig), but for me it's more easy to handle adult sites than corporates, just an experience..gudluck!

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    here is a case in florida where I live.

    http://www.ojr.org/ojr/stories/051018glaser/

    seems that anywhere else in the world this would be legal but he traded memberships for gory iraq videos that he displayed on his site and got some unwanted attention.

    this may be totally off topic for this thread, I can only guess that he was the webmaster but if he wasn't, would they have gone after the webmaser also.

    This scares me even though I dont do adult sites.

    just something to think about

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    Get your kit off and get into it dude...

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    As said several times, that's a personal decision up to you. I was contacted by an incredibly large gay men forum (no, not that kind of large, lots of members arghhh! lol. dont think there's a polite way of putting it!) a few years ago, and the content was a little too graphic for me to take on the job.

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    I too was recently asked to job a similar job. Initially I was a bit worried about whether to display it on my website once it was complete. Eventually, I took the job but decided not to display it on my website. Just because you have designed a website for someone does not mean you necessarily have to put it up. I do have some non-adult websites that I designed but decided not to put them on my portfolio purely and simply because the client in question was just an ***. But the client I designed the adult website for seems to want to keep me as his web designer and already has another one lined up for me to design. To me, all I really is the $$$. But if the content of the website is objectionable, then I certainly will not touch no matter how much I got paid.

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    From your posts it seems that you or the people from your country do not have any problems with porn/porn websites but unfortunately when it comes to doing business on the internet you have to think globally as your customer/client base is global. As far I know many of the countries around the world are not as open/liberal to porn as your country is, so my best bet would be not to display porn sites in your general portfolio and if you think that the client is very open minded or needs an adult site done then only show him that work.
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    I think (like many people have said) it really just comes down to your personal beliefs. If you don't believe in the adult industry (be it for religious or other reasons), it would be a personal conflict of interest to build the site.

    However, if you don't have any personal or ethical problems with it, build the site and leave it out of your portfolio.

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    If it is not something you would be "proud to display" then you have answered your own question.

    The money changes none of that... except that your willing to compromise your own personal limits for money.

    Cheers~

    P.S. I have also pondered it in the past but have not worked for that industry..
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    Quote Originally Posted by danjojo View Post
    If it is not something you would be "proud to display" then you have answered your own question.

    The money changes none of that... except that your willing to compromise your own personal limits for money.

    Cheers~

    P.S. I have also pondered it in the past but have not worked for that industry..
    That's a bit simplistic of a perspective, I think. I can imagine someone working for the adult industry but choosing not to put it on their portfolio because some may find it objectionable. That doesn't mean that they've compromised their own personal limits for money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exoticpublishing View Post

    It's a commonly known fact that North America has the highest rates of sexual assualts over other countries where porn & legalized escort agencies is an every day thing.
    WOW, SP is really full of common known facts nowadays with no sources to prove them.

    Let's assume that your "facts" are correct, that proves nothing. One could use those facts to show that sexual assaults are more likely to be reported in North America than in other countries which would be a good thing.

    I'm sure that the reported rapes and the such are a lot lower in third world countries with corrupt police forces and theocratic governments. That doesn't mean that less women get raped in those countries.

    And as far as making a porn site goes, that's up to you. Personally I don't believe in this all porn is bad thing but your personal beliefs might be different.

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    Don't do it. Adult websites degrade women (if not men) and sexuality. The more porn we have, the less sexuality is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walterkilis View Post
    Don't do it. Adult websites degrade women (if not men) and sexuality. The more porn we have, the less sexuality is worth.
    It is often degrading what is shown, but I do not think that these sites and sights set the standard for a healthy sexuality. They are not the norm and I think they really do not change anything.

    In a way they might actually help some people to come out and talk more openly, as we are doing here right now.
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    If they have contacted you, then I would encourage you to be up front about your concerns and see where it leads.
    A while back I was approached by a client to do a website. he as overwhelmed with backend details, which we discussed at great length, and I agreed to take on the project. Only then did the client showed me the content and I was uncomfortable with some of it. (I was so naive! )
    I told him I was uncomfortable with adult content (mild though it was). I said I wasn't willing to work on any adult-oriented graphics, but that I would do the rest of the work as agreed, and gave him a chance to back out. He apologized or not mentioning it sooner, and wanted to continue the project.
    It went well. We worked together on another, general-audience site, and we have a great, respectful working relationship.

    I truly believe that it pays to be totally honest and transparent in all of your business dealings. If you're not sure what to do, say so. You might lose some contracts, but you weren't sure you wanted them anyways.
    The clients that are worth having will respect you for it.
    I don't think you should ever compromise your principles in order to do business. Conduct yourself with honesty and integrity, and evaluate the specific content. Maybe you'll be able to find a compromise that you are comfortable with?

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    Personally i would do it, but after reading a few comments on here, i may change my mind because the industry is about exploiting vunrable girls to make huge profits.

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    It reminds me of something a professor once told me years ago. He said that like it or not, believe it or not, but a lot of the cutting edge stuff happens on adult websites first. He also mentioned how ironic it was then that our society scorns such ticks upon our portfolio despite I wonder how many have their best work on them.

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    Not sure if I agree with that statement, the adult sites I´ve seen are not very good from a webdesign perspective, and I personally only show my best work in my portfolio.

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    I turned down an adult site offer a few months ago. I was leaning toward turning it down anyway, as much as I enjoyed meeting initially with the site owner, , but she was very very worried about keeping things legal.

    There are tons of legality issues (not to mention any baggage left over from past relationships an adult site owner might have had with a manager, producer, agent, pimp) when creating an adult site that can apparently very easily come back to haunt YOU the designer.

    Frankly, I just got scared off and didn't want to invest all the time in learning the legal issues. So, just be careful if you pursue work in the adult industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lerxtjr View Post
    I turned down an adult site offer a few months ago. I was leaning toward turning it down anyway, as much as I enjoyed meeting initially with the site owner, , but she was very very worried about keeping things legal.

    There are tons of legality issues (not to mention any baggage left over from past relationships an adult site owner might have had with a manager, producer, agent, pimp) when creating an adult site that can apparently very easily come back to haunt YOU the designer.

    Frankly, I just got scared off and didn't want to invest all the time in learning the legal issues. So, just be careful if you pursue work in the adult industry.
    That is an excellent point, the legal baggage.
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    I say go for it! You have nothing to loose


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