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    I've only done limited support for adult sites, and have taken on a full project. I prefer not to do it myself, but understand that others have their reasons. As above, I choose not to do it for personal reasons.

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    Well, our team would if it was a great idea (such as suicide girls), but I doubt if any of us on the team would be happy putting together generic adult sites.

    All I'm saying is that doing adult work doesn't need to be about the money. Although you need to ask yourself if you're comfortable with the image attached to it.

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    This comes down to your personal moral compass.

    I think that the fact you're asking about it at all suggests that you're un-comfortable with the idea and in that case maybe you shouldn't.


    Me??... I'd do it if it was tasteful, non-abusive stuff... like say soft-core stuff.

    I'm not about to support mutilation or animal-abuse or any of those other disturbing things that lurk on the Internet.


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    A bunch of you need to grow up. Porn is not a big deal at all; a naked body save me. People work in the industry because they want to. People buy it because they want to. No harm. It's not wrong to create a website where everyone benefits; it's a good thing since a lot of jokers around think it's immoral and then the industry and its customers are both at losses. Though, it's not best to put it into your portfolio, people like me won't care but there is a good majority who will. I think mikebigg was onto something when he said create another portfolio for your adult sites. But, by no means connect them in any way.

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    I think this line is telling:

    "I don´t really need to show these in my portfolio."

    If you're not comfortable with putting your name on it, don't take the job. If it has the potential to embarrass you in the future or hurt your relationship with other (potential?) clients it's not worth your time. That's my opinion.

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    dont do that

    its bad for society

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    Quote Originally Posted by themightystephen View Post
    Absolutely no.

    No compromise with the porn industry. It has to be stopped. Though most people may not acknowledge it, this industry is responsible for a worldwide crisis of sexual lust (shown by the thousands more cases of sexual attacks than there were prior to the growth of this industry).

    I would not take this job, no matter the money involved.
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    Well, the approach for the individual to not work on sites such as these is the right one to control unwanted behavior. Beats laws and regulations any time. It would be a form of boycott.

    IMO sites with nude people depicted doing stuff is alright really. It is up to the individual to make the choices about looking at them or not. I do not think that *lust* has increased because of those sites. Depictions of people in these situations have always been there, will always be there.

    If people were not so uptight about this issue sites like this would not even exist in such massive way. Forbidden fruit is always more tempting than a plain apple…
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    If the only concern is what your family might see if they walked in while you are working on it then you could simply create the entire site using placeholder images instead of the actual ones that the real site will use and swap in the real image folder once everything else is complete.
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    seems like you've done this before felgall

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    Quote Originally Posted by felgall View Post
    If the only concern is what your family might see if they walked in while you are working on it then you could simply create the entire site using placeholder images instead of the actual ones that the real site will use and swap in the real image folder once everything else is complete.
    That is interesting. But I look at this issue in a different way: when you have children and you want them not to see things of this nature, do not get involved yourself, be straight. I find this very thing of hiding from young people (and working on or looking at those sites at the same time) the very thing that entices them to go and search out sites like these. There is this double life a lot of adults live, they preach one thing and do another.

    Be open about those things and tell children why it is bad, why it is wrong or why some of it is right in your view. That instills trust into them and they will not go around your back and get introduced to stuff the wrong way and with that go down a really bad path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Datura
    Well, the approach for the individual to not work on sites such as these is the right one to control unwanted behavior. Beats laws and regulations any time. It would be a form of boycott.

    IMO sites with nude people depicted doing stuff is alright really. It is up to the individual to make the choices about looking at them or not. I do not think that *lust* has increased because of those sites. Depictions of people in these situations have always been there, will always be there.

    If people were not so uptight about this issue sites like this would not even exist in such massive way. Forbidden fruit is always more tempting than a plain apple…
    Thank you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun(OfTheDead) View Post
    Thank you!!

    I'm glad you said it.




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    What if your kids aren't mature enough to understand it; it's the same reason why you don't explain sex to your 5 year old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bals28mjk View Post
    What if your kids aren't mature enough to understand it; it's the same reason why you don't explain sex to your 5 year old.
    Can you remember when you were a child? I can. At the ripe old age of 5 I knew about the basic stuff that is involved. I grew up in a very open minded country of course and am glad I did.

    I think there is too little credit that is given to children. When you as an adult do not have the usual hang ups that most people have about sex, you are able to explain things very easily. The withholding of information and labeling as forbidden or even dirty is what creates these masses of people who flock to these sites in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by themightystephen View Post
    Absolutely no.

    No compromise with the porn industry. It has to be stopped. Though most people may not acknowledge it, this industry is responsible for a worldwide crisis of sexual lust (shown by the thousands more cases of sexual attacks than there were prior to the growth of this industry).

    I would not take this job, no matter the money involved.
    Can you substantiate that comment? Pornography has been growing since the 50s, and before then the vast majority of sexual crimes such as rape and molestation went unreported. I have not heard of any reports or studies that make this correlation and I doubt it's true.

    As for working for the adult industry, I think it's a personal decision. If nothing illegal or dangerous is going on, I see no problem with it but I choose not to work on adult sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Datura
    Can you remember when you were a child? I can. At the ripe old age of 5 I knew about the basic stuff that is involved. I grew up in a very open minded country of course and am glad I did.

    I think there is too little credit that is given to children. When you as an adult do not have the usual hang ups that most people have about sex, you are able to explain things very easily. The withholding of information and labeling as forbidden or even dirty is what creates these masses of people who flock to these sites in the first place.
    I do agree with you with the forbidden nature of wanting something.

    Take for example if the US banned something ordinary, for instance a banana. Right now I could care less about a banana, but if they were banned I would be pissed. People would be going to other countries and be illegally smuggling them in, even if they didn't care much about them before. Or lets say there was only one banana on the face of the earth, do you know how valuable that would be? I would so want to eat it.

    That is a bit of a factor why people go to the websites, even though it's legal where I'm from. Sex drives every human being, midget (yes midgets have sex too,) and animal. There is no stronger instict. As for the fact of telling your 5 year old how to have sex, that isn't smart (unless of course you have a boy.) What if your daughter decides to experiment after that
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    Can you substantiate that comment? Pornography has been growing since the 50s, and before then the vast majority of sexual crimes such as rape and molestation went unreported. I have not heard of any reports or studies that make this correlation and I doubt it's true.
    What's there to substantiate on? He made it up, the other person is even dumber for agreeing.

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    Not too long ago I was asked to do a site for a comedy club that is somewhat local. I was linked to their MySpace site for their current site. All but one of their images had illegal activities (for the US), so I had to turn it down. Mainly because this would've been my second commission.

    So I would say it is all up to you, and depends what they would want. If they just want you to set up a gallery, you don't really need to see media associated with the site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bals28mjk View Post
    As for the fact of telling your 5 year old how to have sex, that isn't smart (unless of course you have a boy.) .
    That is a funny statement. Why should a boy have different treatment than a girl? The more a girl knows the better she can prevent a disaster.

    I am female btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by themightystephen View Post
    Absolutely no.

    No compromise with the porn industry. It has to be stopped. Though most people may not acknowledge it, this industry is responsible for a worldwide crisis of sexual lust (shown by the thousands more cases of sexual attacks than there were prior to the growth of this industry).

    I would not take this job, no matter the money involved.
    Fair enough if you don't agree, you don't take the job. However your statement about the adult industry being responsible for a "crisis of sexual lust" is IMO complete rubbish. You only have to go ti India/Nepal and similar places and see medievil architecture that is plastered with erotic carvings and sexual depictions. Sexuality is part of humankind and no amount of religious/political suppression will ever change that. Sure there is what we call sexual attacks but there always has been since mankind first walked the earth, only with the advent of the internet has it got *noticed* more because we can now see news and opinion worldwide and not just in our own localities.

    "Porn" is only a small slice of the adult industry. What most people refer to as "porn" is only the tip of the iceberg. Alongside you have a plethora of actors, directors, camera crew, producers, editors, technicians, marketing staff, support staff, graphic designers, web designers, programmers, manufacturers and so on. Also don't forget that lingerie and adult toys also falls in this area.

    Of all the people I have worked with in the adult industry around half were female and most were very talented people, whether they were designers, web site owners, producers or porn actors. They were all genuinely nice people as well who did what they did because they loved their work.

    A lot of folk will shout "exploitation" as well. Yes there is some explotation in adult but this tends to be well outside the mainstream area, usually run by criminal gangs who will do anything to earn bucks and likely the same people responsible for rackeetring, drug running, fake viagra email/scams and so on - porn is just another money making line to them. Also don't forget that there are still many people being exploited by big brand names in 3rd world countries making your nice designer trainers and clothing.

    I'm off my high horse now

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluedreamer View Post
    Fair enough if you don't agree, you don't take the job. However your statement about the adult industry being responsible for a "crisis of sexual lust" is IMO complete rubbish. You only have to go ti India/Nepal and similar places and see medievil architecture that is plastered with erotic carvings and sexual depictions. Sexuality is part of humankind and no amount of religious/political suppression will ever change that. Sure there is what we call sexual attacks but there always has been since mankind first walked the earth, only with the advent of the internet has it got *noticed* more because we can now see news and opinion worldwide and not just in our own localities.

    "Porn" is only a small slice of the adult industry. What most people refer to as "porn" is only the tip of the iceberg. Alongside you have a plethora of actors, directors, camera crew, producers, editors, technicians, marketing staff, support staff, graphic designers, web designers, programmers, manufacturers and so on. Also don't forget that lingerie and adult toys also falls in this area.

    Of all the people I have worked with in the adult industry around half were female and most were very talented people, whether they were designers, web site owners, producers or porn actors. They were all genuinely nice people as well who did what they did because they loved their work.

    A lot of folk will shout "exploitation" as well. Yes there is some explotation in adult but this tends to be well outside the mainstream area, usually run by criminal gangs who will do anything to earn bucks and likely the same people responsible for rackeetring, drug running, fake viagra email/scams and so on - porn is just another money making line to them. Also don't forget that there are still many people being exploited by big brand names in 3rd world countries making your nice designer trainers and clothing.

    I'm off my high horse now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Datura View Post
    Can you remember when you were a child? I can. At the ripe old age of 5 I knew about the basic stuff that is involved.
    You knew all that stuff when you were 5? How bad.

    ps how big are your boobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bals28mjk View Post
    You knew all that stuff when you were 5? How bad.
    I grew up a very healthy girl and was glad to know the stuff.


    Quote Originally Posted by bals28mjk View Post
    ps how big are your boobs?
    This question I will just let stand. That is a question you should not ask on this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by bals28mjk View Post
    ps how big are your boobs?
    I think that was the point at which this thread started to lose all value!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bals28mjk View Post
    I do agree with you with the forbidden nature of wanting something.

    Take for example if the US banned something ordinary, for instance a banana. Right now I could care less about a banana, but if they were banned I would be pissed. People would be going to other countries and be illegally smuggling them in, even if they didn't care much about them before. Or lets say there was only one banana on the face of the earth, do you know how valuable that would be? I would so want to eat it.

    That is a bit of a factor why people go to the websites, even though it's legal where I'm from. Sex drives every human being, midget (yes midgets have sex too,) and animal. There is no stronger instict. As for the fact of telling your 5 year old how to have sex, that isn't smart (unless of course you have a boy.) What if your daughter decides to experiment after that
    What's there to substantiate on? He made it up, the other person is even dumber for agreeing.
    Thank you. Talking that porn industry is unrelated to the exploitation is an ignorant point of view, IMHO. Knowing about how many people can't escape from the sex slavery after going to foreign countries to make some money, and how many are enslaved by the fake model agencies makes me feel bad about the whole industry.

    Things may be different overseas, but this applies, at least, to my and neighbouring countries.


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