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  • 100-200k

    4 40.00%
  • 200-300k

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    0 0%
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    Question Acceptable pre loader times...opinions please!

    I am a great advocate of Flash animation/sites on the net, and love to see the tool used well. I think it can add a great deal to the visitors experience when used effectivley.

    However, I am seeing more and more sites with very large pre-loaders... it's all very well and good if you are on a broadband connection, but for us little guys on 56k dial-ups it's a bit of a pest having to wait ages for a pre-loader (although I don't mind if I think the site is going to be worth it!). However, I think that this is what puts of a-lot of people...a real potential downer to visits to a website.


    If a site is designed well, by loading content on layers when and if required, I don't see why pre-loaders have to be so big (my whole level0 interface is only 42k...quite acceptable!). Frankly I see it as plain lazy on the part of the designer to just budle the whole site into one movie, and expect a vistor to wait for the whole site to load if they only require, say a third of it.

    I thought it would be interesting to see what people consider to be an acceptable size of pre-loader. I will poll by size to take into consideration broadband users (hummph, one day my area will have digital cable... just about everywhere else has around here!!).
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    Personally, having to wait more then a couple of seconds is bad. Whether that is on 56K or on my T1 at work.
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    depends on what you get for the wait...no one wants to wait for crap...

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    Good call jonny - any Flash sites over 200k for the initial file is down to sloppy designing.

    One cause is using bitmaps as its far easier to import rasters than re-create them in Freehand, Illustrator or Flash using vectors.

    I've just stumbled on a great example of how manually re-creating (ie. not using trace bitmap) images can dramatically drop file sizes:

    http://juniatwork.mrtio.com/

    here's another good example of vectors over bitmaps:

    http://www.vectorkid.com/main.html
    Last edited by Chas; Feb 19, 2002 at 20:04.

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    WOW! that Juniatwork's vector work is second-to-non, she's a talent, thanks for sharing

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    Indeed, that Juniatwork's site has got some of the best vector illustration work I have ever seen...simply stunning However, we are talking pre-loaders here guys (and hers was about 140, which at the moment fits into the acceptable bracket!).
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    personally, i don't think it should take any longer than normal html pages. btw, there talkkng about that standard being under 10 seconds now. that will be real hard to get with flash - i would say 20 seconds would be good on dialup.

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    Originally posted by bbolte
    i would say 20 seconds would be good on dialup.
    There was a big debate going on about this over at the site design issues forum on SPF. The general view was that most people on dial-up's wont stick around for a 1/4 of that.

    Most of the site stats on large Flash only sites i've seen bear this out - keep people waiting any more than 5 sec and they tend to scarper.

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    5 seconds, that makes sense. i voted for the first option. but i was trying to be a little optimistic with the 20 second thing. there aren't too many sites that can do a preload in 5 seconds...

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    I voted for the 50 - 100k 'cos if it is more than that then the designer should really be splitting the content across movies if possible.


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