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    The I's for intelligent silver trophy iTechno's Avatar
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    Why do you not use Macs?

    In light of charmed's thread about Opera I decided I'd do a similar one to gather user reasons for using Windows (or Linux) rather then Mac's.

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    I'm a student, working off a computer I bought ~4 years ago.. Was just looking for something I could do papers / programming / games on while I was in high school and college. Bought from Dell, so came with XP. Recently, around 4 months ago, I switched to Ubuntu.

    Once I have the money, I will probably be buying a MacBook. I like OS X alot, and textmate gets nothing but rave reviews, especially from RoR guys.
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    If you need a car to get to the shops then would you buy a Ford or a Porche? For most people the extra expense of a fancy non-standard computer just means that they would limit themselves in what they can do with it.
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    My main problem is that I need systems that can run Linux and Windows and up until recently Windows and most Linux distro's couldn't easily run on macs. I'm thinking of buying a Mac with an Intel processor and Triple booting it with Windows, Linux and Mac soon.

    Although I do really want an Asus G2...

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    I had been working at a Japanese language institute years ago, and we used Macs just because Windows was not able to run a western and a 2byte language like Japanese, Korean oder Chinese without restarting or having some fancy software which caused many problems. I liked Macs a lot and also had one at my home.

    Windows 2000 then offered a decent support for 2byte languages on a western OS and since then I did not see any reason for getting a Mac.

    Also there is some software which I would miss switching to Mac again, i.e. SnagIT from TechSmith - just to mention one program.

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    I am not prejudiced to an OS let alone hardware.

    Dell XPS M1710 Review
    http://www.notebookreview.com/defaul...Dell+XPS+M1710

    Apple MacBook Pro 15
    http://www.notebookreview.com/defaul...Inch+Screen%29
    Last edited by AnOmAlY_; Jun 10, 2007 at 08:16.

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    The I's for intelligent silver trophy iTechno's Avatar
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    The XPS M1710 is compared with the old MacBook Pro, the new one beats it. Also the Dell XPS is a bit more expensive with all the features.

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    When I started with computers I did not have the $ for a mac and whilst I might now I can't justify the price difference, not sure what I would be getting that is worth the extra $, + nor do I really care what the computer looks like as long as it works.

    Peripheral support pre firewire was also a concern.

    & my 6600 Intel/linux/ubuntu [+Beryl (for annoying Vista heads)] works mighty fine.

    + I am mighty annoyed that Apple will not let me legally run OSX under vmware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iTechno View Post
    The XPS M1710 is compared with the old MacBook Pro, the new one beats it.
    They are not using the same exact processors on notebookreview.com

    Dell XPS M1710
    Processor: Intel Core Duo T2600 (2.16 GHz)

    Apple MacBook Pro 15"
    Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo T7500 CPU at 2.2ghz (4MB Shared L2 Cache)

    Quote Originally Posted by iTechno View Post
    Also the Dell XPS is a bit more expensive with all the features.
    Just the computer is fine without all the extra stuff.
    Not comparing them. They both are extremely nice toys.
    Would be interesting to test them both to see how they
    match up. The Dell decimates it's PC counterparts in the test.

    Intel made a notebook (concept) recently:

    Intel's Metro laptop prototype is "world's thinnest"
    http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/24/i...rlds-thinnest/

    Intel's Metro laptop concept in the real world
    http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/26/i...he-real-world/

    Is this the first quad-core laptop?
    http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/18/i...d-core-laptop/

    ...

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    Is Still Alive silver trophybronze trophy RetroNetro's Avatar
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    Pure and simple, the cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Gulag View Post
    Pure and simple, the cost.
    Explain please, the premium on a Mac really isn't that much over a Windows PC. Actually, when the Mac Pro was first released it was cheaper than the equivalent workstation from Dell with all the same specs and features.

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    I already bought a Windows PC, I cannot afford to buy both, the cost is more than I can afford. Pure and simple.

    Though...

    MacBook Pro = $2200
    Windows PC equal to mine = $1200

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Gulag View Post
    Pure and simple, the cost.
    http://www.computerworld.com/action/...9&pageNumber=1

    EDIT: Just read your 2nd reply. Fair enough .

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    I love subnotebooks alot. Being partly dependend on Win32-Software I consider buying a inteldriven 13''-Macbook as my next portable.

    It performs very well, is ultracool and comes with FreeBSD genes. 3 good reasons...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainlink View Post
    I love subnotebooks alot. Being partly dependend on Win32-Software I consider buying a inteldriven 13''-Macbook as my next portable.

    It performs very well, is ultracool and comes with FreeBSD genes. 3 good reasons...
    My primary machine is now a 13" Macbook that I carry between the office and home.

    In the office its connected via DVi to a 21" monitor and runs XP Pro connected to server domains like it was a half decent Dell.

    At home its connected to a 19" lcd via dvi and interacts with 2 XP systems, and a Fedora 4 server system.

    Its all automatic, no config, no changing of settings.



    I think the OP's question is technically wrong.

    I think the question should be "As a developer how can you not afford to run Mac systems".

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    I do use Mac OSX but not all the time! I can't completely shift to Mac because many softwares I use are only available for Windows!

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    I work with governments, and I run a business. So, I can't run OSX because I need lots of funky VPN software and enterprise type stuff which isn't available on Mac. And, I pay for a lot of computers and I don't see much ROI on Macs when perfectly good Dells are much cheaper.

    I like Macs, but I just can't really use them. PC's are fine for us..
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    I was considering a mac book pro recently but the high cost really turned me off. Even compared to pricey thinkpads. Mac books were in a league of their own.

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    Can't afford one yet, but I will buy one soon!

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    I continue to use a PC for one simple reason: I haven't finished setting up my MacBook Pro. I only had a temporary job and spent six months saving up for a $3,000 MacBook Pro, only to discover that I'm in limbo as I await a new generation of software designed to work with the new MacIntel computers. Adobe's new Creative Suite alone is going to blow me out of the water. Also, I have one major technical problem - I can't establish a database connection in Dreamweaver on my Mac. So I have no choice but do most of my web design on my PC for now.

    But I still wouldn't trade in my Mac. Overall, the quality is much better; I no longer have to wrestle with bugs, viruses and snafus or wait several seconds for the computer to react after I type in a command. I'm convinced it will pay for itself in the long run. My MacBook Pro should run even better once I upgrade to Leopard and another GB of memory. After I scrape up the money for Adobe CS3 and hire someone to fix my database connection problem, I'll no longer need to use my PC as a crutch.

    However, it will still be good for one thing - previewing websites in Internet Explorer.

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    I can't tell you why not to own a Mac because that is what I use.

    I love osx, and everything about Apple, (I worked for them up until last December). I can tell you now that Mac's use intel chips, running windows works flawlessly. I actually noticed that XP on my mac runs better/faster than the install on the PC I own.

    Anyway, enough of that, all I'll say in closing is that I'll never buy a non-apple computer again. That doesn't mean I won't run windows or work in a windows enviroment, it just means if I do run windows, I'll be running it on a mac.

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    Plain and simple . . . the Mac GUIs and general look and feel drive me nuts. I could spend weeks turning off all the visual transitions etc. and in the end don't know that I could get a simple, bare bones look. The blue Mac scrollbar really sucks too. A friend has a top-of-the-line G5 (I think) with TWO 24 inch screens and I get really frustrated when I try to drive.

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    Cost.
    Games.
    Kool-aid / band wagoning
    Apple is as evil as Microsoft. (not defending Microsoft)
    Apple still makes sub par hardware.

    I guess at the end of the day. I have nothing really against the OS. I could come up with an equally long list for any OS. There just doesn't seem to be an all in one OS for me, like others find in OSX. Dual booting Windows/Linux seems to get the entire scope, so I don't really see a need for OSX.

    Though, if they sharpen up on their hardware and $3000 cash drops out of the sky I would give it a go
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    This YouTube movie of one of the many recent pro-Mac TV advertisements talks about PCs having all that trial software that you're not going to use, and all it does is slow things down.

    Then it talks about Macintosh which only has the things you want like iTunes, iPhoto, iWeb et cetera. iLife, they call it.

    Then I sit back and wonder how that argument works, given that iLife becomes iJunk when you're not going to use anything in it. So for me, that argument sort of falls down.

    I guess PCs (and Windows) work for me because they do what I need them to do, and relatively well. Macs, on the other hand, are for the more artistic, less number-crunching style tasks that I don't do very much of.

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    Games and all the software that is extremely important to me that will most likely never be ported to MAC.


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