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    A redone site of ours by another company

    Hi All,

    This is an odd situation. I am posting a review request of a site we did a short while back that was recently re-done by another company for SEO reasons.

    Now, while the visual aspect of the site is debatable, it's not what I'm asking too much about. It's more a matter of their prospective success online with this new site.

    I wanted to post the review while the old and new version was online, but this screenshot will have to suffice aesthetically.



    The old site was completely tableless, validated XHTML 1 strict and none of the text was images except for the number at the top. We'd moved the actionable area (request quote/book in drives) under the headline image under the navigation before the re-do, so it was quite apparent.

    The new site is at www.datadetect.co.za.

    Please comment on the look, feel, SEO state as well as the quality of the code etc.
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    Quality of the code = awful

    Looks like the sort of junk spewed out of dreamweaver

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    the first site was nearly one hundred times better. The only change I like with the new one is the button colors... but the buttons kinda suck because of the speratic white lines that show up. I most definitely agree with distortedrage on this one. I would change it back ASAP and drop the new guy.

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    Thanks guys. Does anybody have anything to say about the structure of the site. If it's going to positively or negatively influence search engine results etc.

    I'm going to compile a report from this thread for the client as I mentioned, and if you think the new site is better; don't hold back. I can take it.
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    Your version has a more 2007 feel to it. The new version looks very 2005.

    It's hard to say anything about SEO without being able to see the code from the original site though.

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    as far as seo purposes go, the site is terrible outside of a few keyword links down at the bottom.

    the first site was waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy better.

    Honestly, it looks like the thumbnail you attached was better for SEO purposes.

    The current site lacks content, text buried in graphic, and i question the usage of the keywords. I think they took a great design, and turn it into a mediocre one.

    Site could probably use some quality inbound links as well, google toolbar says PR is kind of weak right now.

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    @rockit, yeah, the inbound links are required and I'm hoping for the client's sake that the new company is actively pursuing these.

    I'll put the old site up (except the blog (database)) and you can compare the code.
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    An interesting one this adesignrsa.
    From a design standpoint, I do prefer yours as it has a more organised feel.

    Now onto the code and SEO.

    SEO isn't my strongest suit but consider the following:

    1/ 162 lines before they get to the <body> tag cant be good
    2/ 217 lines before you get to any content/text is outrageous
    3/ all the navigation is image based and although they have ALT tags in the code, they dont show for me
    4/ table based layout
    5/ all the 'MAIN' points of the website are also image based
    6/ click the W3C link and you get..... "Sorry! This document can not be checked." due to a &#37;2F (slash) at the end of the url.

    All in all, not a step forwards
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    as noted, the code bloat, tabled layout, and html 4.01 rather than xhtml 1.0 strict seem to be nothing but a step in the wrong direction. whoever made the decision to use this instead of a tableless xhtml template has some serious learning to do.

    hope that helped.

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    If possible, could anyone mention why (from a business perspective) the new site is not as good as the previous one. This afterall is the client's main concern... their business.

    I have my thoughts on why, but I need some other opinions to reaffirm my views on the matter.
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    The only positive thing I can say about the new design, is that it has a bit of colour, other than blue. Your design was a bit too blue, looking a bit like a domain parking page, but not something which could not be fixed easily (and semantically).
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    I have to agree with everything SpikeZ said. The coding for the site, SEO wise is terrible, UNLESS they are using some script to cloak and do SEO in the background. If they are cloaking your site than you are taking a huge risk.

    I think your old site looks cleaner but I think the new one points our a few more things, like FREE ONLINE QUOTE, BOOK MEDIA NOW, and GET YOUR DATA BACK!No Recovery Fee. Once you get to the body it starts to lose focus with the blue boxes and tiny text. The logs on the bottom also threw me off a bit (windows, mac, linux, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by adesignrsa View Post
    If possible, could anyone mention why (from a business perspective) the new site is not as good as the previous one. This afterall is the client's main concern... their business.

    I have my thoughts on why, but I need some other opinions to reaffirm my views on the matter.
    If you were to speak from a business point of view, with much text buried in graphic, they could be missing out on search engine traffic, and advise them of the solution.

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    the code is HORRIBLE who would any company want to redesign a perfectly decent site to start with?

    Im not a perfect designer but i know that that ccde wont help matters in SEO especially with text being displayed as graphics!
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    The more code there is around the content then the less content that the search engines will see in order to rank the page and the lower down the results list the final page will appear. The more you can move the non-content out of the page and reduce the HTML to pure semantic markup the better the page should rank since it will be clearer what the web page is about.

    While this is only one factor in how a web page will be ranked, all other things being equal semantic HTML and a separate stylesheet should rank above the same content coded any other way.
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    Yes the coding is aweful and I go along with someone who said Dreamweaver - it's most likely been done in design view. From an SEO perspective it's most probably gone way downhill.

    That's life I suppose - the client will lose out!

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    Cool. I like the logo very much. Can't think of any suggestions right now.
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    Nice, cool logo

    Nice, cool logo. The logs on the bottom though is not good (windows, mac, Linux, etc.)
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    The coding has nothing to do with Dreamweaver, DW puts out muc hbetter code than that.

    Table based layouts require more code. Less code is better for SEO.

    The h1 tag is halfway down the page with a lot of crap before it. Keyword density is weak.

    Didn't see your code but looked at some of your other work which shows me your work had to have been better.

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    Just remember that search engines only read so far into a page. With so much garbage at the top of the file there will be very little actual content that the search engine will see and so it will rank extremely low for SEO purposes as there will be little or no content for it to base its ranking on. That is why modern technique is to move everything except the content and semantic markup out of the HTML as that increases the actual content from perhaps 10&#37; up to perhaps 90% when the search engines decide on what to base their ranking on.
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    very nice design but, you must revalidate your code: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...Inline&group=0

    here is ok: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...Inline&group=0

    but blog and other is very dirty... and try put all in DIV`s ... good luck!!

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    It looks good. Good use of space, not cluttered.

    From what I can tell, it will certainly serve its purpose.

    The image in the logo reminds me of the one game sites logo. GameSpy I believe it is.

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    I also think old site was better. This one does not looks that much formal and gives a old look. Can do better on design

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    The site uses a transitional doctype and tables for layout ...

    I am getting very tired (and a little irritated) at these people who claim they SEO sites doing nothing short of b4stardizing them. What they do seem to be good at - if nothing else - is the sales pitch .

    I am biting my tongue from saying more...

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    Code - BAD!!!
    the site is a little old timer design and you should change your banner up there, too unprofessional.
    most of the sites have a small banner, that is easy to understand.


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