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    Angry I need to change my career

    Well another contract is NOT being renewed. This leaves only one alternative. It's time for me to get out of this field; flash designing. Sure I have some talent, but none of the jobs last. At my age I can't keep going from job after job after job after job after job after job after job. IT'S TIME TO CALL IT QUITS!

    Any ideas for a new career for a 46 year old with a family?
    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    thanks

    PS: this is not a search for pity. just a vent and a quest for some answers at least.

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    Well, let me at least express that I can feel for you.
    It's times like this that we do great soul searching. Don't give up. Maybe now is the time to call everybody you know and let them know that you are available. Maybe you can even post a portfolio of your work here and someone will happen to come along at the right time. I'm also guessing that since you are good at flash that you can do design as well. Maybe you can even consider taking a fun part time job to earn some extra money while times are slow. I'm just brainstorming here. I hope that helps a little, though I wasn't sure what to say.

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    You just opted to use bold, italics, underline, and red for emphasis. All of them, together.

    If it were just the bold and italics, maybe you'd have a chance.

    But no, you threw in the red. And the underline.
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    Do you still want tostay in the design field or do you want to migrate some other field if so what are the qualifications and skills that you have.
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    AnotherDesigner; web is a juvenile industry...it's tailored for people who do move from one job to another constantly because they are young and they don't care. Folks who are in their early 20s can have a lot fun but the older you get...It's a tough industry, possibly the toughest there is. You have people coming into your country who can't even speak, read or write your language and they already know how to design flash websites. I bailed out of the industry altogether; I just want to continue designing for my own purposes and ideas; as a hobby and without the pressure of deadlines. Talk to everybody, especially the guys who have done well in Web design. There apparently are survivors here who're still doing great and getting paid well.

    In my ideal world the Internet would be confined to the United States of America and all other countries would be forbidden from online access. This way we could continue enjoying the happy time building websites for American corporations. Hehehehe. A nice little monopoly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitochondrion View Post
    In my ideal world the Internet would be confined to the United States of America and all other countries would be forbidden from online access. This way we could continue enjoying the happy time building websites for American corporations. Hehehehe. A nice little monopoly.
    What will the rest of us do then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitochondrion View Post
    In my ideal world the Internet would be confined to the United States of America and all other countries would be forbidden from online access. This way we could continue enjoying the happy time building websites for American corporations. Hehehehe. A nice little monopoly.
    Ummmmmm...

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    Mitochondrion, Whoa! What makes the US so special as to be the only one with access to the Internet in your ideal world? There are plenty of excelent programmers and designers in other countries.

    To the OP: Regarding the career change, maybe take on a part time job doing something else while you try to stabilize a bit more and decide what you want to do? What do you enjoy doing? Maybe you're just going after the wrong market or advertising in the wrong places. You should do whatever you enjoy, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitochondrion View Post
    In my ideal world the Internet would be confined to the United States of America and all other countries would be forbidden from online access.
    Most Yanks think it already is.

    Yahoo! for instance only allow US based publishers to their ad network, because only Americans use the Internet after all.

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    It was a joke...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitochondrion View Post
    AnotherDesigner; web is a juvenile industry...it's tailored for people who do move from one job to another constantly because they are young and they don't care.
    I'm in my early 30s and have been in the same job for 10 years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAWK View Post
    I'm in my early 30s and have been in the same job for 10 years...
    You're on the other end of the extreme then. You mean you've been designing websites for the same design agency for 10 years? If so, that would be the most remarkable story yet and I would like to hear it.

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    Stick at it! There is a place for everyone! Age has nothing to do with it, if anything experience is key.

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    I'm in my early 30s and have been in the same job for 10 years...
    I can almost join you there fella Coming up 29 and I have been working in one of the top UK agency's for the last 8 years (In fact its the only job I've ever had, I got plucked from uni) and I see no drop in fortune either. If anything it is getting better all the time. Big better clients, not enogh resource to meet demand (50+ staff)... just another day in the office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by si@ld View Post
    Stick at it! There is a place for everyone! Age has nothing to do with it, if anything experience is key.



    I can almost join you there fella Coming up 29 and I have been working in one of the top UK agency's for the last 8 years (In fact its the only job I've ever had, I got plucked from uni) and I see no drop in fortune either. If anything it is getting better all the time. Big better clients, not enogh resource to meet demand (50+ staff)... just another day in the office.

    Si
    8 years means you got hired at the high of the dotcom hiring frenzy but then by some miracle you survived all the layoffs staying with the same company. Cool, good for you. I wish I could see some of your work because you must be pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitochondrion View Post
    8 years means you got hired at the high of the dotcom hiring frenzy but then by some miracle you survived all the layoffs staying with the same company. Cool, good for you. I wish I could see some of your work because you must be pretty good.
    We never got involved in the dot com boom; we work with major brands that have been established for many years. Not start-ups... well during the dot com boom anyway. There has always been an insane amount of work within new media/digital but its the past 18 months in which someone has really lit the fuse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitochondrion View Post
    It was a joke...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Another Designer View Post
    Well another contract is NOT being renewed. This leaves only one alternative. It's time for me to get out of this field; flash designing. Sure I have some talent, but none of the jobs last. At my age I can't keep going from job after job after job after job after job after job after job. IT'S TIME TO CALL IT QUITS!

    Any ideas for a new career for a 46 year old with a family?
    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    thanks

    PS: this is not a search for pity. just a vent and a quest for some answers at least.
    Are you utterly sure nobody needs flash in their life? Sounds to me like you're just tired of hustling. But if you really do want a change; Type 'career test' in Google, and go from there I guess.
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    Park ranger?
    Using your unpaid time to add free content to SitePoint Pty Ltd's portfolio?

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    To everyone,
    Thanks for your replies. Mind me asking what you all do for a living?
    Peace

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    I think every industry is hard. I'm not just a web developer, but a business owner. I have owned businesses in several different industries. I've had some that were successful and sold, some that I folded because they lost money, and some I just decided weren't worth the time and effort involved.

    I've had countless clients get into every different industry imaginable from restaurant, manufacturing, services, retail, etc. Many of them (most) fail in the first few years.

    There is a lot of competition out there, and there are a lot of smart people who want to get a piece of the pie. It's also not just about your design skills or technical abilities, but about your people skills and business skills. Remember the saying, "Its not about what you know, but who you know."?

    At your age, I think trying to be a flash designer for another 10 years would be a bad idea anyway. You need to move up to management or leadership in some way. Could you retire from being a flash designer? Try to find a position as an art director or team leader somewhere where you can give these 18-22 year old kids some direction and common sense (which is something many of them lack).

    I love this industry. I have been working with websites and online commerce since 1999 (when I was 19) and have loved every minute of it. One thing is the same though, after all these years... change. Everything changes, even in traditional business, but it just happens at warp speed online.

    You can't sit still, and you can't get comfortable. You have to change with it, and adapt. Hate to say it though, but if you can't do that you won't do well in any industry these days.

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    Oh, and to answer your last question...

    I am an e-commerce and online marketing consultant for an advertising firm (see signature).

    I own a retailer of large size shoes (see signature) with both online and offline retail store presence.

    I also start a lot of blogs, e-commerce sites and content sites.

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    The hospital I work for as a nurse extern is part of Advocate, a huge healthcare system (this means a whole bunch of hospitals and clinics under one umbrella) that has it's own media department as well as a clinical informatics department. Among other things, those departments create tons of online content (both intranet and WWW) as well as interactive Macromedia Director movies (I've done a ton of those in the interactive media program in college). Those movies are used for the training of new associates just hired by the healthcare system as well as for continuing education of the current employees. At Advocate education never stops (employees cannot continue working at the agency if they don't take classes annually) and it's mostly delivered via interactive media.

    The people who make up the informatics department are registered nurses with some kind of a informatics training.

    Who knows, maybe I'm not completely out of action as a designer yet. Perhaps one day I will be able to figure out a deal where I can work with the informatics department, possibly make myself more valuable by getting a clinical informatics degree (a type of graduate degree for nurses; RN/BSN is a prerequisite).

    Please note how specific I am. I'm not longer interested in being a generic website designer. I'm talking about being a nurse who works with other nurses designing training videos for new nurses and other healthcare employees. The old approach where you can call yourself a generic website designer no longer sells. You have to have a very narrow specialty. Norvax, a Chicago based design agency interviewed me back in 2002. Back then they were designing just about anything you can imagine. A few months later I check on them and they were no longer a generic web design house. Now they were designing applications for the healthcare insurance industry. If I could get a master's degree in clinical informatics that would take care of the career advancement (designing one thousand websites won't cut it...as pointed out by beley).

    If you could hang out with just one lucrative industry and develop tremendous expertise within that industry your future as an interactive information specialist is assured...but you have to know those people from the inside and know their work or else they'll dismiss you as an amateur. You'd have to be an expert in their field and your yours...which is kind of unfair if you consider how certain narrow-minded people advance in this world and how much money they make with a fraction of your knowledge but lots of big mouth and a swagger...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitochondrion View Post
    AnotherDesigner; web is a juvenile industry...it's tailored for people who do move from one job to another constantly because they are young and they don't care. Folks who are in their early 20s can have a lot fun but the older you get...It's a tough industry, possibly the toughest there is. You have people coming into your country who can't even speak, read or write your language and they already know how to design flash websites. I bailed out of the industry altogether; I just want to continue designing for my own purposes and ideas; as a hobby and without the pressure of deadlines. Talk to everybody, especially the guys who have done well in Web design. There apparently are survivors here who're still doing great and getting paid well.

    In my ideal world the Internet would be confined to the United States of America and all other countries would be forbidden from online access. This way we could continue enjoying the happy time building websites for American corporations. Hehehehe. A nice little monopoly.
    Wow this post smacks of jingoism or some other kind of ism.

    And if you started web design in your early 20s and haven't moved up to some non-grunt-designer/developer role by your early 30s then something in your career went wrong. With 10 years' experience you should be a lead designer/dev or in management or running your own business.

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    AnotherDesigner, what is your skillset? What do you enjoy doing?

    What I am getting at is, there are a lot of possible career possibilities but you were pretty vague as to what you want to get into or what you have a knack for.


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