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    I don't even support IE5.5 any more (although my websites work for the most point in them, there are a number of small glitches).

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    We bend, but don't break for IE5.5. I have a hack stylesheet for IE5, but I don't stress that it has to look 100% perfect. It is all legible, but certain spacing elements don't match up. I imagine that customers that still use IE5.5 don't even know what a pretty website looks like anyways
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmanders View Post
    @AutisticCuckoo: I thought I might reinforce your point :-)
    Ah, good!
    I thought you might have missed it, since it was way back on page 1.
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    If someone is using IE 5, I think they have the problem, not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvduval View Post
    If someone is using IE 5, I think they have the problem, not me.
    What if they are 80, dont know any better, and have an old computer which they cant afford to upgrade?

    Also you cant even validate the homepage of either your 3 sites in your sig (including the amazingly basic 1 column block of text that has 5 errors) so I doubt you should be giving advice to others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlienDev View Post
    I say yes, drop IE5. I never have (and never will) even try to support IE5. Its not worth the effort. People using old browsers should get up with the times, unless the site target audience is for older people. Then it might be an exception.
    What makes you think that older people tend to use older browsers?? Not quite sure what your thought is there!

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    I think if you bring it back to what Tommy said, which was acertain your audience.. In the example of his website about web standards, many of the visitors are likely to have more standards compliant browsers.. and so consideration for IE5 isn't neccessarily a big issue.

    The question is what sort of websites do the elderly frequent? Myspace? Youtube? Maybe stranger than fiction, but perhaps they do. I can't test those sites myself but I'm sure they would work fairly well in IE5, for the fact they are 'global' and need to retain support thereof (perhaps thinking of less developed countries where older-spec computers are the norm - often perhaps running older an older OS also. Does Win 95 even allow IE7 download?? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormrider View Post
    What makes you think that older people tend to use older browsers?? Not quite sure what your thought is there!
    They are usually not up to date with technology and might not know how to upgrade their browser.
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    It depends on your audience. If it's like 1% or less it's probably worth moving on. Also, if somebody is using IE5 do you really think they are going to care if something isn't positioned right? Since they haven't upgraded to anything new within the last 3 years they probably don't know or care about anything on the Internet and will handle your site however it looks.

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    IE5 on the Mac was declared officially dead in 2003.

    There are not any computers that can run IE5 on windows that can't also run IE5.5 or other more modern web browsers that are not tied into the operating system the way that IE6 (requiring at least Win98 to run) or IE7 (requiring XP) is.
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    When I do a site, I still check it in IE5 (or 5.5 I forget)

    I don't care if it's ugly and everything is in the wrong place, but I will fix it enough that it works. I figure even if someone has a crappy old browser they should still be able to use the site and find information, even if it looks horrible.

    Nothing time consuming though. If it takes longer than a few minutes I'll just start setting every element to a boring default style. Hello position:static!

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    i didnt know anybody still designed for IE 5
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    I personally do not code with IE5 in mind anymore.

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    I don't even bother with IE 5.0 anymore. Too much time spent making it look alright when you have to make trade offs that make the site look worse in other browers. The value added by making it compatible with IE 5.0 isn't worth your time IMO.

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    I stopped supporting it long time ago. I don't care even if 10% still use IE 5.x, I still won't support it for two reasons:
    1) It's a time consumer which needs too much hacks and work-arounds.
    2) the average joe only upgrades his browser when he really has to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mPeror View Post
    I stopped supporting it long time ago. I don't care even if 10% still use IE 5.x, I still won't support it for two reasons:
    1) It's a time consumer which needs too much hacks and work-arounds.
    2) the average joe only upgrades his browser when he really has to.
    10&#37; is an important figure IMO mPeror

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    The way I look at it is, if a user doesn't trust the Internet enough to upgrade his browser when it comes from big business, how much will he trust small business?

    Although I have never seen conversion rates by browser, I would guess that very few Internet shoppers use the older browser models after new ones become available. While 10&#37; of traffic is a big piece to ignore, 10% of nothing is still nothing... and results seem to indicate that the real number is 1% or less.
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    As said before, this depends on what your site is. If your site is about web development than chances are most of your visitors are running non-IE browsers, or at least a recent version of IE.

    If it's geared towards education; K-12 or college, then write it to be compatible with IE4 and 5 and up. Schools and students don't tend to run the latest hardware, and so not the latest software either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by busy View Post
    When I do a site, I still check it in IE5 (or 5.5 I forget)

    I don't care if it's ugly and everything is in the wrong place, but I will fix it enough that it works. I figure even if someone has a crappy old browser they should still be able to use the site and find information, even if it looks horrible.
    I agree with you and tommy on this, even if it looks out of place/ugly, it should still be readable and accessible.
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    in finland i think the % of users with IE 5.0 are les then 0.5% so i have skipped testing with it my sites long ago.
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    In Finland, Firefox usage is almost 40&#37;!

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    "The box model hack" will fix 99&#37; of the problems in IE5(.5), it usually just takes me 5 minutes to fix the layout so it works in IE5(.5)...

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    The modified box model hack is better, actually. For example, let's say I have a sidebar that's not behaving in IE 5x (with the sidebar appearing below the content in the HTML source code). This is how I'd use the MBMH to fix it:
    Code:
    	#sidebar {
    		background: #FFC;
    		display: inline;			/* IE 5 and 6 bug fix */
    		float: right;
    		padding: 0 1em;
    		width: 11em;
    	}
    	
    	* html #sidebar { /* IE 5.x Box Model Hack */
    		width:13em;
    		w\idth: 11em;
    	}
    Though in my case, I'd be better off just removing the padding from the sidebar DIV in the first place.

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    Time to give IE7 the boot. It's horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcel View Post
    Time to give IE7 the boot. It's horrible.
    I dare you.


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