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    how to test in all browsers?

    I would like to test site I made in as browsers as possible.
    Is there any tool which can help me.
    I don't know how to have on same OS two or more version of same program (Opera7 and 8, Firefox1 and 2 ..etc...)
    On The Ultimate Testing Checklist I found list of browsers:

    Browsers for Macintosh OS X

    * Safari 1.2
    * Mozilla 1.6
    * Firefox 1.0
    * Opera 9
    * Opera 8
    * Opera 7
    * Internet Explorer 5.2

    Browsers for Macintosh OS 9

    * iCab
    * Internet Explorer 5

    Browsers for Windows XP

    * Opera 9
    * Opera 8
    * Opera 7
    * Mozilla 1.7
    * Firefox 1.0
    * Netscape 7.1
    * Internet
    * Explorer 6.0
    * Lynx browser

    Browsers for Windows 2000

    * Opera 9
    * Opera 8
    * Opera 7
    * Mozilla 1.7.3
    * Firefox 1.0
    * Netscape 7.1
    * Netscape 7.0
    * Netscape 6.2
    * Netscape 4.78
    * Internet Explorer 6
    * Internet Explorer 5.5
    * Internet Explorer 5.0
    * Lynx browser

    Browsers for Windows 98

    * Internet Explorer 4.0
    * Lynx browser

    Browsers for Linux

    * Konqueror 3.0.5
    * Mozilla 1.6
    * Opera 8
    * Opera 7
    * Emacs/W3
    * Netscape 7
    * Netscape 4.8

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    You should probably sign up for a Browsercam account.
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    The Total Validator extension in Firefox has an interface to grab screenshots for various browsers in various operating systems.

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    This is going to be a long post...

    Section 1)

    That list is odd and parts of it seem redundant to me. Why test in mostly the same browsers on Win2k and WinXP?

    It's also odd that the article doesn't mention Safari 1.3 or 2.0. Both of which were released before the article was released in July 2006.

    There is a big difference between Opera 7.0 and Opera 7.5.

    The version of Konqueror listed is old too. The current version seems to be 3.5.6.

    iCab 3 is available on MacOS X. It's not just a MacOS Classic browser.

    Last but not least, it's good to test in Firefox 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0.

    Section 2)

    On Windows, it's easy to install multiple versions of Opera. Just tell the installer to put each version in a different directory.

    Older versions of Mozilla/Netscape can be more difficult to install sometimes because of their "shared" libraries.

    IE/Win is even more complicated.
    There are two ways to test in multiple versions of IE/Win on the same PC:
    1) Free XP/IE6 and Virtual PC 2004 for web testing
    http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/...rom-microsoft/

    2) Using stand-alones which are unsupported and do have a few issues.
    These explain how to have multiple versions of IE/Win on one installation of Windows.
    http://www.insert-title.com/web_desi...s/dev/multi_IE
    http://www.positioniseverything.net/...s/multiIE.html <== be sure to read this one
    http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html
    http://mi6.ais.ucla.edu/devbriefs/ru...le-workstation
    http://tredosoft.com/IE7_standalone
    http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE

    Section 3)

    I use BrowserCam in addition to the (literally) dozens of browsers I have locally. BrowserCam offers remote access and screen-shot capabilities. If you're interested, check out this thread.

    Here are some similar services, some of which are free:
    http://www.browsrcamp.com/
    http://www.danvine.com/icapture/
    http://browsershots.org/
    http://www.browserpool.com/
    http://www.totalvalidator.com/valida...rForm?type=url
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    Browsercam is expencive for me.
    I can't find out how to check resolution in Total Validator

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikola8 View Post
    Browsercam is expencive for me.
    I can't find out how to check resolution in Total Validator
    It doesn't have support for IE at the moment because he's moving to a new house, but otherwise browsershots is a good free alternative to Browsercam.

    And you mean the resolution of the screen shots in Total Validator? Its the 3th field from the top.
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    For IE here a tool I use: http://ipinfo.info/netrenderer/

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    Like Tijmen suggested... that's what I use, BrowserShots.
    http://browsershots.org/

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    Try to validate with top 3-4 popular browser with w3c then I think your problem will be solved.

    99&#37; user uses these browser.

    thank you

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    quite easy

    vmware + ( windows| linux | osx ) = every major browser tested on every major platform

    also microsoft give away virtual pc + xp with ie6 for free there was a blog post about this here on sitepoint before
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    Quote Originally Posted by mihd View Post
    quite easy

    vmware + ( windows| linux | osx ) = every major browser tested on every major platform

    also microsoft give away virtual pc + xp with ie6 for free there was a blog post about this here on sitepoint before
    You would need a lot of space and time to install all the possible browsers though as the total number is in the thousands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by felgall View Post
    You would need a lot of space and time to install all the possible browsers though as the total number is in the thousands.
    hmm not really just the major ones (ull be suprised i run it all on my laptop with fairly low specs due to tiny size 1GB ram | centrino | 60gb hd | 12.1" screen)

    whats the point of testing in some browser thats not used anymore or used by only 0.0001% of visitors? i find alot of the "old browsers" that you see in the logs are actually bots (they are easy to spot due to number of concurrent requests and speed of surfing) with fake headers sent


    as can be seen from attached graphs even for a very large site there's an exponential curve in the browser platform, i personaly dont test on anything with less than 0.5% browsershare, is it worth the time to be testing for something that barely has any return on your effort?
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    browsershots loks fine but it didn't work for me.
    i added my url and was waiting 15 or 30minut (my url was in queue) but when time pased i didn't find my page on screenshots page.

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    There's an IE Tab extension for Firefox that works pretty well for me. You just click once and the rendering engine (or whatever) is switched to IE-like for that tab.

    Besides that, I think browsershots is a great site -- but it doesn't work sometimes, like nikola said. That happens a lot with me. In situations like these, I just send an email to a couple of my friends and ask them to take a look at whatever I'm testing (I have a few who change OS' like underwear). That way I can get different OS, browser, resolution and color settings too...

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    Holy cow. If you really need to test on that many browsers, you're either going to have to have a BrowserCam account, or get a dozen computers.

    Seriously, you can't expect to be able to test on all those setups with a small budget.

    Here's my personal testing list:

    Windows:
    IE6
    IE7
    Firefox (latest)

    Mac:
    Opera (latest)
    Safari (latest)
    Firefox (latest)

    Linux:
    Firefox (latest, but only because I use FF on Suse)

    From a business standpoint, I don't think that extensive testing on Linux is necessary. But it always depends on your target audience. If, for example, you were designing a website about Penguicon, it might be more necessary.

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    Main problem is that IE7 and IE6 and IE5 can't be installed on one pc and most of users have there browsers.

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    There are two ways of installing multiple IE versions on the same computer. You can either set up a virtual environment to run them in (best solution) or install stand alone versions which will work apart from IE conditionals and a few other minor issues where the latest version number gets identified instead of the one you are testing.
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    I said that in my first reply. Also, there's a fix for the conditional comments issue it's included in the PIE article I linked to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wal.Z View Post
    There's an IE Tab extension for Firefox that works pretty well for me. You just click once and the rendering engine (or whatever) is switched to IE-like for that tab.
    I also use this extension and it works great! You cant even find a link to open internet exploder anywhere else on my pc now.. I dont even give it icon-space

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcsolas View Post
    I also use this extension and it works great! You cant even find a link to open internet exploder anywhere else on my pc now.. I dont even give it icon-space
    The only problem with IE-Tab is that it still requires your version of Internet Explorer. If you have IE7, it will appear as IE7 in FF. If you have IE6, it will be IE6 in FF. And this really doesn't help on Mac since there isn't a supported IE for Mac. IE-Tab is very nice, but as far as helping you test browsers you don't have, it can't do that for you.
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    Well, at least you need to be mac user to test on safari, while you can use OSX to launch VM-Ware and test your page on IE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wal.Z View Post
    ...friends ... (I have a few who change OS' like underwear).
    Once a month?

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    If it helps, I use AnyBrowser.com on Windows so I can see what my sites look like on the OS Browsers on the different resolutions.

    Until I invest in a Mac, it does me fine.

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