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    Fluffy Kitten Programmer~ Elledan's Avatar
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    OK, here's the challenge: When is it necessary to use frames, and when not?
    It could be good to work this topic out to in details, it would make things a lot easier

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    I think frames can be useful if you have something like, say...and E-Book...where you might want links to each chapter/section/are in a frame on the side...frames have their place...but only in rare circumstances.



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    Frames can be used to work out a certain effect...

    I can't come up with a great idea, but let's take this as an example: you would like to see the text dissappear under the mouth of a lion when you scroll. For the lion you use an image in the above frame and in the frame beneath you put the text.

    I hope this is a good example...

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    Anyone must admit that using frames can save you lots of time. I use them too, and adding a new page is very easy, you don't have to create the whole menu on it and update the other menus on the other pages.

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    SitePoint Guru CJ's Avatar
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    SSI can do the same...
    You also won't have to insert the whole menu over and over again.

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    Yes. I have found SSI (Server Side Includes) to be a good alternative to frames. It provides the same convenient benefits without the problems which can be associated with frames. (bookmarking, accessing individual pages within a site etc.)

    Best of all, they are probably easier to use than frames.

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    I know as good as nothing about SSI, but I'll take you advice and take a look at my favorite site, www.stars.com, to learn what it is.
    Good news for anyone who hates frames: I'll drop the frames on my site!

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    They hurt you in the search engines, thats for sure....

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    Yeah, I've heard so many complains about he use of frames... I'm glad now that I've got rid of them!
    I've uploaded my new site today (www.emudreams.web.com) and it works just fine, and without frames. I think that frames are only usefull on a few sites, but most of them don't need any.

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    Glad we could convince you - DreamWeaver boy - Elledan

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    I used to use frames all the time but i have now realised that they are rubbish. Some great examples of non-frame pages are www.planethalflife.com and even sitepoint. I must addmit that the new <IFRAME> tag is a great idea.

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    Problem with Iframe is that only IE browsers support it, and NS6 sort of. Wluke had a problem with it on his site too, Netscape browsers crashed on it as soon as they read the [iframe] tag...

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    Ahhh, and what a great idea it is. So nice to have the option of inserting a frame like that. Maybe one day it will be universal.

    For now, you can only use a form text box to simulate the effect on all browsers. Plain text isn't quite as exciting as what you could do with the I FRAME though. Pity.

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    I'm afraid you'll have to wait a long time, chicken, until nobody has more a 4.x NS or AOL or Mosaic or Opera browser... And that will take some more decades, I guess.

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    Frames can be very useful, but only if they are used perfectly. I've only seen a handful of sites that actually utilize frames well, and in most cases they could make the page using tables easily.

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