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    IE Alternatives

    I noticed many of you use Opera...may I ask what chose you to pick it over the other optional browsers that are available? I don't know much about Opera, other than it's smaller than other browsers, and it's not free (or at least the free version has ads).

    I have IE6, NS4.7, and Mozilla 0.9.6. Can I assume that if my site looks alright in Mozilla, it'll look fine in NS6? As a webdesigner should I collect browsers like stamps? Or should I just be happy with what I have and just continue testing with these browsers?
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    to be a half-assed web developer like myself, test your pages in ie 5.5 on pc. To get better, test that same page on netscape 4.7. To get better, test it in ns 6. To be even better, test it on mac in IE 5.5.

    However, the best, most well done pages should be tested in all those above and NS on mac (4.7 and 6.2) as well as Opera.

    Also, about the mozilla question - no it won't look the same as in NS6 - they are different apps and will perform differently (I assume...)



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    Re: IE Alternatives

    Originally posted by Trillian
    Can I assume that if my site looks alright in Mozilla, it'll look fine in NS6?
    Yes. It's the same browsing engine in both.

    Originally posted by Trillian
    As a webdesigner should I collect browsers like stamps?
    It depends on what you test with. The reason a lot of use and like Opera is because it's the most standards-compliant browser I know of, at least. The rule of thumb goes that if your site renders well in Opera, then the rest of the browsers should all fall in line.

    In practice, it doesn't always work that way, particularly with older browsers that don't support style sheets, but it works fine most of the time.

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    The nice part with opera is, that if your site works in opera, it most likely works in everything else. (Except in NS4.7, of course, since nothing works in that browser )

    If your site looks fine in Mozilla, there is a good chance that it will work in NS.

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    Originally posted by truelight
    If your site looks fine in Mozilla, there is a good chance that it will work in NS.
    There's a better-than-good chance it'll look exactly the same, because except for surface details, it is the same.

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    I test with Netscape 6.0, IE 6.0 and Opera 5.0, if the site views good in all three of those browsers, then I check out Netscape 4.x, if it looks pretty bad in Netscape 4.x then I'll go and try to fix the major problems.

    It seems that Netscape gives me the most problems, I wish that Netscape 4.x would go jump off a bridge!

    By The Way does Opera or Netscape 6.x support Iframes?


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    Originally posted by Chuckie
    ...and Opera 5.0...
    Pssst: download Opera 6.

    Originally posted by Chuckie
    By The Way does Opera or Netscape 6.x support Iframes?
    If you use a loose DTD, then yes. I believe this goes for HTML as well as XHTML, but don't hold me to it.

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    I find opera far pickier than any other browser and you may be surprised to find you site won't look right in opera compared to netscape.

    I personally have Opera, nn4.7, netscape 6.2, ie.6 and access to ie5.5 for testing. OOps and I have Mozilla too

    For personal use after using all of these I still prefer the speed of IE. Although Opera has some toys in it useful to any developer
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    Personally, I use Opera6 a lot because of its speed in rendering, accessibility and options. Although IE opens up faster than Opera seems to on my machine, IE also takes a lot longer to render a page. When ever I have to use IE, now, it feels so slow. Unfortunately, Opera doesn't have the same set of plug-ins available and doesn't support Java, though. :-(

    Anyway, I try to test on Windows 2000 (because that's all I have) with IE6, NS6, NS4, NS3, a voice browser, Lynx and, of course, Opera (versions 5 and 6). Consequently, I don't get nearly as much work as I should done. :-)

    For a plethora of browsing options, check out evolt's browser archive.

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    Downloaded Opera 6 tonight to add to my collection of browsers. Now I have four to play with, huzzah. I liked how fast it loaded, and the layout I'm using with frames looks good in all the browsers I have. The only exception is with NS4.7; you can navigate but it looks messed up. Grr.

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    Originally posted by colon//


    There's a better-than-good chance it'll look exactly the same, because except for surface details, it is the same.
    Yes and no. While Netscape does indeed use code from the mozilla project, they are not the same versions. Something might work in mozilla, because it got fixed in the latest version, but since Netscape uses old mozilla code, it might not work in NS.

    The chance is very slim, though.
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