I found a reverse whois utility to determine the ip address. That works for setting up the database to hold and label the rating information. I still cannot figure out how to determine the ip address of a site in one window of a frame page and pass the ip address to the other window in a frame page to retrive the rtings or add new ones. I have uploaded the frames page and it can be viewed at www.learning2earn.com/frames.html any suggestions or ideas or information or anything would be greatly appreciated.