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    Relax DZynd4U

    The so called "big holdup" is that you can't just wave a wand and change a feature. theres some programming that has to be done. I think at this point you are being unreasonable. We raised the issue of abandonment and a number of other problems and they were addressed with solutions within days. That says a lot and I think they've earned being given the benefit of the doubt and a little slack.

    In the interim I gave you a work around that designers are using. It IS a problem having your work out there but you could easily have a contest run three weeks so if deleting your own entries gets rectified within two to three weeks and you can then go in and remove what you need to that shouldn't be a huge issue.

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    I am still not convinced why it is so damn hard for contestants to come up with something on your own and then get feedback for that. Why do the have STARE at others entries before getting to know what to make. I have seriously seen examples of that where someone copied most of my entry instead of using the original guidelines posted by the CH just because my entry received a good feedback from the CH.

    I like this (call it cubicle or whatever) system. Atleast it gives me some level of comfort that my entry would not be ruthlessly copied as in the previous system, but then again it just might happen, but with a little more effort on the part of the other contestant.

    I do not agree with people giving absurd reasons that they need to know what the CH wants and then want to work on the the basis on those entries which he likes, hence, commiting to more or less concept theft.

    Be original, come up with your own concept, use the CH original guidelines, follow your own personal feedback and mould it according to what he wants.

    Admins: Start making initial entries private and see how many new concepts will come up. Rather than following the tried and tested and winning concepts, a change or a different entry might provide the CH with an entirely different perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khuldun
    I like this (call it cubicle or whatever) system. Atleast it gives me some level of comfort that my entry would not be ruthlessly copied as in the previous system, but then again it just might happen, but with a little more effort on the part of the other contestant.
    If you like staying in your own thumbnail where is the open forum idea gone? As you've already mentioned, if someone wants to COPY your concept, design, etc, they do it even with thumbnails. In the previous system, at least we ALL designers were much more aware of everything and some of us took actions on our own. Nowadays, is like playing hide and seek and no one knows what the other does, simply because our time is quite precious to check out all the stuff.
    Maybe you don't realize it, but if someone comes to SP for this particular purpose to steal my desings or anybody else's this system is just PERFECT. How on earth I can find out if it takes me 1 hr to check one contest, hour which I do not have available?

    Quote Originally Posted by khuldun
    I do not agree with people giving absurd reasons that they need to know what the CH wants and then want to work on the the basis on those entries which he likes, hence, commiting to more or less concept theft.
    As a designer, of course you should know all these info and stay true to yourself and your colleagues. Why would you find absurd a basic need? I sense some negativity here towards designers around, at least your phrase makes me think of that. I know that they are lots of "designers" who take advantage of anything, it personally happened to me a lot, but there is no reason for me not to behave vice versa and maybe one day, some of those will just follow in bowing out of a contest when needed.

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    Last time I checked, it was good to know everything possible about a project when creating an identity or just a logo for a company. Shooting in the dark doesn't produce good results, ever. Well sometimes in the lottery it does, but designing an identity for example isn't exactly lottery.
    I read most feedbacks client gives, no matter who that feedback is aimed at. It is possible, that client gives important feedback to someone and not to others regarding typography colours etc. Information is a huge part of graphic design and there's never too much of it. When doing work outside contests, I try to squeeeeeze as much information as possible from a client. That's all I have to say about looking at other people's entries.

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    Hi guys! my first post in forum.

    i read first page of replies and saw that problem of people leaving contest and stealing concepts is of big concern.

    i have a suggestion:

    How about collecting some money as deposit? for example, a guy pays $20 to start a contest and also pays other $20 as safety deposit. If a contest is over and winner is payed... then SP gives back that $20 deposit to contest holder. But, in case contest is abandoned... then Administrators of SP select the best entry of contest and give that deposit to that person which COULD have won.

    I am very sure that thoes who can pay $100+ for design can surely pay $20 as deposit... afterall, its going to come back. This will increase work load of SP... but no doubt, to give the best... one has to work the best! And, ideal situation would be: "Safety deposit=Price Money declared"... though it is a little impractical.

    comments appreciated.

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    It seem like most of the "designers" like to save work by concept theft. Interesting!

    I am out of here, should just concentrate on contests and wait till another comes along to peek at what i did and then use it to show his/her "creativity" !
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    Khuldun, calm down if you please. I'm quite confident that people are not that interested in other people's entries, but the feedback and information contest holder gives through the contest. Contest holder is a human being, therefore he/she forgets to add wishes to original brief. You know very well designing is a process and all the info adds to it.

    And. There are things in world that can't be fixed easily. Or at all.

    On another note. Perhaps in the near future it's possible to have "private" contests, invite only as I've seen somewhere. Would this be appropriate for Sitepoint or does it conflict with your original idea and feel of design contests?

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    HI

    I have run three contests and from the feedback I received on a survey I ran of entrants, I do a pretty good job. (Several even said my last contest was the best they have ever seen).

    The main difference for me was utilising a feedback system where everyone knows where they stand. They are placed into Categories which let them decide whether it's worth going on with the competition.

    I offered SP to write an article about how to run a good contest but haven't yet received a response, possibly because they released this new system less than 7 days later.

    On the value for money issue, I know that the value provide by Sitepoint is simply amazing. So I try to make my prize money a little more than what is expected. (My last winner was a coded template design who has picked up $US510).

    My main difficulty here is that it is so hard to get entrants to figure out what you need. All three competitions have been plagued by people completely not getting the initial insutructions despite them being plain as day. The last competition, I provided 5 site examples initially, then another 5 just to ram it down because noone seemed to be getting it.

    That's my only frustration.

    Money-wise, it's definitely a bargain.

    My suggestion is that the CH pays the prize money into the site at the very start, and then SP releases the money to the winner. (Sort of like an escrow service.)

    Stop setting prize minimums and let the market just take its natural course with the better contests getting the better designs. My template contest received maybe 5 times as many entrants as a normal one and received more entries than many logo contests happening around it because I offered good prize money and ran a very clear system.

    Very few contests nowadays seem to start with the minimum so it seems CHs are getting the message.

    As for making a living out of this, the closest I have seen was Logoholik, who when I first came along was winning a massive amount of competitions, with logos that followed a pretty close pattern. He was definitely making enough for someone to live off in Australia (a very tidy additional income if he had a job as well.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECDynamics
    ^ they wont do it and I don't blame em because it opens them up to a whole neat new set of lawsuits potentially.

    escrow service is a good idea, but perhaps only if SP was partnering with a previously established one? not acting as one themselvs.
    Half the world thinks you can cop a lawsuit for something

    Who is going to spend $150.hr on a lawyer suing for $100? $300?

    Don't forget Sitepoints corporate address is in Australia (well it was last time I paid them money) so pretty much noone can sue them. SP credits are a good idea.

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    Romit, i agree with you on your point abuot people having to pay a deposit, but how can you decide who "Could have won" - I think maybe that is a bit hard to decide if the CH has ran off. But maybe the abandoned deposits could go into a little fund that Sitepoint either keep, or give away to "Designer of the year" or some other award winners.

    On another note, jonk makes some good points, especially "My suggestion is that the CH pays the prize money into the site at the very start, and then SP releases the money to the winner. (Sort of like an escrow service.)"

    Its something i mentioned earlier and something i think that would work, as it would only put off the time wasters. Sureley anyone willing to legaly pay the winner has no problems with letting Sitepoint handle the money until a winner is decided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonk
    Stop setting prize minimums and let the market just take its natural course with the better contests getting the better designs. My template contest received maybe 5 times as many entrants as a normal one and received more entries than many logo contests happening around it because I offered good prize money and ran a very clear system.

    We tried not having minimums for a while and it just didn't work. We would have logo contests for $20. You would think people would not enter them, but they would. I realize $20 may be a nice payday in certain parts of the world, but we think that there should be at least some standard that guides contest holders.
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    I just thought I would pop in and check things out...havent been in for a couple of days...the contest forum IMO looks really good now, Love How it is sectioned of into different categories and also that we can now add to our shortlist....Looks and works really good....I am redoing my website over the next week but I look forward to my return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ses5909
    We tried not having minimums for a while and it just didn't work. We would have logo contests for $20. You would think people would not enter them, but they would. I realize $20 may be a nice payday in certain parts of the world, but we think that there should be at least some standard that guides contest holders.
    People would enter a $20 contest?

    Well, there you go. Maybe I was wrong on that point.

    Another point is that it appears Sitepoint either gets publicity for the Contests or advertises because there is occasionally a small flood of CHs all in a short time.

    If anything I would publicise for good designers, because they are really the product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khuldun
    It seem like most of the "designers" like to save work by concept theft. Interesting!
    Thats quite a baseless accusation. I'd love to see an example of this theft. Yes I have seen concept theft at work but theres also another phenomenon I'll call "standards hijacking" where something very unoriginal is done and a designer complains that a convention is being used that belongs to him when in fact its used widely and part of design standards. Web designs are particularly subject to this (eg logo top left, image top right, top banner etc)

    As an example of how this can happen with very little real concept theft take a look at this contest

    http://www.sitepoint.com/marketplace/contest/145?

    God Bless the Ch. I wouldn't know where to start and yet I think I see only one example of concept theft with a whole lot of designs that rely on standard layouts. I agree with Tempera. Too often I've seen a CH state what he doesn't want and then someone does it and he says he loves it. Most CH's are not design centric and they only get a sense of what they really want in the middle or toward the end of the contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khuldun
    Admins: Start making initial entries private and see how many new concepts will come up.
    Lest there be anyone at Sitepoint thinking about this. This is a DISASTROUS IDEA and no fault on Khuldrun as I thought it might be a good idea at first. Problem is I am quite certain that some of the contests I have been in have been a victim of back door deals (and thats besides the ones where the CH states he has a winner submitted by PM) . This I believe is the reason why Sitepoint guidelines forbid private entries by email or PM.

    When you make entries private the clear line drawn by sitepoint becomes blurred and submissions by email or pm become innocent and therefore will increase. At least now the Ch has reason to be suspicious of a private entry (many report it in contests threads) and the contestant stands the risk of being exposed but if all entries are private there is no clear line drawn opening the door for all kinds of legit communication channels where the contestant can bargain, barter and wheel and deal on price and services.

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    The first casualty

    Today I came upon the first casualty of the changeover and this thread. A client asked me if I would do a logo for him, I replied like I always do, "I don't do logos, you need a specialist for that why don't you put a contest on SP like last time". His reply was and this is verbatum "Have you seen the crappy system they've got now and have you read the bit about contests, F*** em, if anybody has got that low an opinion of me, I don't want to work with them". Now I know for a fact that this guy has held two contests on SP in the last three years, I also know that he is as stubborn as a mule so he is unlikely to return. It's a great shame because I know he used to be an admirer of SP. I think some of the posts that have characterised CH's as basically people on the make or in some way not to be trusted have done the majority a disservice.
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    Oh, no!

    Quote Originally Posted by mobyme
    I think some of the posts that have characterised CH's as basically people on the make or in some way not to be trusted have done the majority a disservice.
    Now we've done it! We've hurt one of the contest holder's feelings.

    We should all be ashamed of ourselves.

    I know I am.


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    Would it be possible to add some sort of function that allows entries to contests private between only the user and holder. I ask for this as you see on quite a few contests one good entry being entered first, within the next few days most other entries look half the same.

    Thanks!

    I just read above actually about possibly the same idea being suggested? I'm not sure if it is 100% the same either way, at the end of the contest all entries would become publicly visible to prevent any 'back door' dealings as stated above, haven't got time to read the previous pages.

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    Don't let the heat of the discussion make you post negative comments aimed at other members.
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    KHULDUN you make no sense at all, gee people can steal designs anywhere not just here and it seems you do web stuff not logos. Anyway i will say again, why not change back until the system is perfected. There are alot of CH's that do not comment, and i just saw a posting where there are 3 almost identical posts same colors same squares around the letters, and you cannot even delete them if you made something in a similar way to someone elses. There have been good designers apologize and offer to remove logos that they have made, that look like others but where posted too close to each other. Khuldun, you are making everyone out to be thieves and cheats, and i disagree with you and dislike it. There will always be good and bad ethics not just here but everywhere, so if you think people are copying your work, don't bother to post. Everyone that enters contest like these no matter if on SitePoint or elsewhere runs this risk. Feedback works and we need it back, and when you enter 3 or 4 contests daily, you want to quickly check your previous posts and carry on which is more difficult now.

    another 2 cents worth - the rambler... i meant :O P1Guy

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    seems like Forum, means DISCUSSION which i higlight in bold.... and there is little, of this in the new System.

    Interaction = Good Discussion means a quicker end to some contests, and a CH getting what he came to SitePoint for.

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    Can an advisor or mod please address why the contests are not inherently private to begin with like if design firms where bidding for a client their work/workup would not be available to competing firms?

    I have considered participating and getting my feet wet in the past but was turned off by the copycat/derivative work - this so far was my barrier to participation and I think the argument I and others have made is solid and should be answered.

    If it is because a contest (vs. bidding/offering proposals) maybe is generally a public thing I can sort of understand - only insofar as it helps the quality of the work produced via the contest - I don't think it does - it seemed/s to undermine the process a bit actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mobyme
    Today I came upon the first casualty of the changeover and this thread. A client asked me if I would do a logo for him, I replied like I always do, "I don't do logos, you need a specialist for that why don't you put a contest on SP like last time". His reply was and this is verbatum "Have you seen the crappy system they've got now and have you read the bit about contests, F*** em,
    Fact is in this very thread we singled out good contest holders. This thread has been almost entirely about abandoning and or having contests that end with good results and compensation to the winning contestant. I can't see why anyone would be upset unless they want to see otherwise or have a guilty conscience.

    So lest anyone think otherwise I know of NO ONE on this thread or off it that has any problem with any Contest Holder that provides a contest with the honest intent of respecting the designers in their contest, selecting a solid professional design out of several sufficient quality entries and paying on that design. If thats your client's intent he should come back (Contestants have spiked so he will get even more entries) . If thats not his intent then my answer to his expletive is - please let him know not to let the door hit him on the way out.

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    I am a designer and I'd like:

    1) our signatures to be appended to comments we make at different contests.
    2) the comments we make to increase our post count.
    3) something like "view all designs by this member" to be added to our profile so people can view all of our design entries (the same way everyone can see all our posts/threads)

    I'd really like my suggestions to be considered seriously and I hope other regular entrants agree with me.

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    ^I like your suggestion #3. With the current system (entries on SP server) this could be not a hard thing to do.
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