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    Your Lord and Master, Foamy gold trophy Hierophant's Avatar
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    Since we're in a new age with about a billion new terms and acronyms created every year how are we supposed to know which to use? Do we have to be consistant?

    It used to be that Homepage meant your whole website and now it just means the main index page, usually called index.html or something similar. How are we supposed to keep up when Dictionaries are 5 years behind and internet based glossaries become obsolete overnight?

    How many of the following terms do you know? CSS, CDF, XML, RSS, XSL, XSLT, DHTML, AHTML, XHTML, JS, Javascript, Script, Style Sheets, RDF, CFML, MathML, GedML, CML, ASP, PHP, PERL, Server side, backend, frontend, client, user device, behaviour, URL, URI, IP, TCP/IP, SLIP, PPP, PTPP, EDI, SET, JEPI, OFX, OTP, OFX, SGML, DOM, VBS, Entity, Attribute, Tag, WIDL, Schema, DTD, WAP, WML, HDML, OSD, XLL.

    These are the ones that I can remember off the top of my head. Every single term and acronym relates to Internet development in one way or another. How can we as developers hope to cope?

    Oh and how do you spell "website"?


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    The politically correct way of spelling web site is "web site" - two words. Nowhere in even the newest versions of dictionaries (that I know of) is the word "website" found as one word.
    Check out the latest version of Microsoft Word or Corel WordPerfect. Neither of them recognize the word "website" because it doesn't exist. They do not, however, question the two-word phrase "web site."

    As for the hyphenated version, the hyphen simply joins two words of separate meaning together to form an entirely different meaning of the words.

    Example:
    Web - the fibrous creation of a spider; a network of fibers woven together to create a net-like structure; the network of computers joined together to form a place of communication.
    Site - a location; the place of action.
    Web-Site - A place on the world wide network called the web where one can go to get information. (Basically the same as the two-word version.
    (Note: Exerpts taken from the dictionary of Isaiah, )

    If I overdid myself let me know. I am just a cool guy sharing my knowledge of english.

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    Nope didn't over do it. But since hyphenating it is fine why would making a compound word be wrong?

    Personally how its spelled doesn't make any difference to me. I just wanted to start a general discussion on terms to see if there was any agreement.

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    [This message has been edited by wluke (edited April 25, 2000).]

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    I think website should be adopted as a standard. Every person I know spells it different, yesterday I saw websight and web sight. And when people say homepage I get confused- I don't know what they mean anymore. Especially when its someone non-technical and everything is a homepage...

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    I don't know that it matters what term you use, whatever one people use is the correct one. I prefer to be descriptive rather than prescriptive.

    As for acronyms, my favourite is TLA (Three Letter Acronym)


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    Well, my last post was kind of a little english lesson. While the actual compound word "website" doesn't exist, it does.
    People worldwide are accepting "website" as a word and I wouldn't doubt that if in the near future the word "website" will be added as a part of the english language.

    Remember This Note: If you decide to use the word "website" on your web site, then be sure to have consistency and use it on ALL of your pages, not "website" on one and "web site" on another. If you don't have consistency then your site will look very unprofessional.

    Remember to KISS.

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    I always spell it website, and just say "ignore word" in Word 2000.

    Technical terms are being defined by us now, not a dictiary writer

    Isaiah's last point was excactly right. Doesn't really matter how you spell a technical word (NOT the same with normal words) as long as you are consistent. Consistency is the key to EVERYTHING on the web. That is the one thing that makes a site seem proffesional.

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    If you always use website, then why do you hit ignore word instead of Add?? This would seem to increase your productivity because you won't spend so much time hitting "ignore word".

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    Well I am glad I am not alone. I use website. Today I had to write to one of my clients, a College Dean, and I stressed over how to spell website. Didn't want to come across as unprofessional. I feel better now and will continue to use website.
    Which is the correct way to spell email
    e-mail or Email? :-)

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    To change the subject a little, does anyone know of standard job titles list?

    Webmaster used to be the key term. If it had anything to do with the web site, the webmaster would handle it. But now since web sites have grown so complex it seems that thier are an array of job titles.

    As best as I can figure it, the titles are broken down this way-
    <UL TYPE=SQUARE>
    <LI>Front-end development which consists of web page designers and content managers(writers)
    <LI>Back-end which is your programmers and network people
    <LI>Advertising and marketing
    <LI>And leadership positions which usually need skills from several areas
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    IMHO,
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    WEB and SITE are both words in standard English for hundreds of years. I think with new technology, it's better to con a new "catch phrase".

    Anyway, WEBMASTER is two words merged into one, so why shouldn't WEBSITE be merged?

    Just my opinion,
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    [This message has been edited by Owen (edited April 26, 2000).]

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    If you want to get deep into technicalities, both Internet and Web are supposed to be capitalized. So, it'd be Web-site, Web site, or Website, not web-side, web site, or website (I feel stupid ).

    Many of the big boys make that mistake, such as Sun...look on their Website and you'll see the 'w' lowercased.

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    I don't want to cause problems by correcting people, but dv3 is incorrect.

    Proper nouns are always capitalized. When you use the word Internet you are refering to The Internet. Just like you would refer to The Washington Monument or Yahoo. It refers to specific person, place, or thing.

    Web site on the other hand is not a proper noun. There are about 130 million of them. Like intranets or extranets.

    You may see the dictionaries add the word website. Currently when you type web site, you are using the adjective web to describe the word "site".

    Web, on the other hand varies. Capitalize if you are refering to the "World Wide Web" or no capital if you are refering to any web, like a network.

    Westmich

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    Welllllllll...

    If noone else here is going to do it, I feel obligated...here goes...

    I jizbot (a wanna be tech but nevertheless a tech), herby declare "website" to be a proper and legitimate &lt;sp&gt; term in reference to or of webspace designated and accessible or viewable to the people, for the people, and by the people of the internet community.

    I dont know about you guys, but i feel much better about using the term now. =-)

    no thanks needed...really

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    OK - let me take a crack at this, this web stuff aint so difficult...

    CSS - Can’t See Straight – the clearest indicator you had a good night
    CDF – chances are if you answered in the negative, you’re the proud owner of a new pair of prescription glasses
    XML – deserting ML’r
    RSS – Really Silly Song (hmmm…Ooops I did it again? Comeon – I love her n all but comeon!)
    XSL – Xtra Special Loving, - what I don’t get when I code past midnight
    XSLT – What I have to promise my sweetie the next day
    DHTML – Common – try it with me – Thhhh…thhhhh…
    AHTML – really poor grammar
    XHTML - Xcessively Hyper Teenager Making a Living (as in the 10th grader whose Flash intro is better than your’s Mr. MBA)
    JS – Just stare (as in what I do with Cold Fusion)
    Javascript – Starbux’s foray into web space
    Script – What Clinton shoulda stuck to
    Style Sheets – I’m thinking leopard print, or tie dye…
    RDF – then get a dern hearin aid
    CFML – Cobol, Fortran More useless Languages
    MathML – hmmm?
    GedML – double hmmm.?
    CML – Can’t Make Love? – ad for Viagra
    ASP – man without a tongue trying to say the word “gasp”
    PHP – THC, LSD, need I need say more?
    PERL – Mother of all scripting language (literally), wasn’t the dude’s wife’s name agatha or something?
    Server side – I’ll give you a hint, it’s not the side I’m face down in my drink on
    Backend – part of me that suddenly got curiously red and tender whenever I mouthed off to mom…
    Frontend – hmm…let’s no go there
    Client – the yammering putz who thinks SQL is the 2nd installment of a movie
    user device – pocket pool anyone?
    [b]Behaviour – hey man, this is America, what’s with the O-U-R?
    URL – eat chicken soup until URbetter
    IP – what I do when I go to the battroom
    TCP/IP – therefore, T C ME P
    SLIP – unfortunate result of unseen banana peel
    PPP – pain felt 30 miles from a rest stop
    PTPP – relief felt 1 mile later
    EDI – Extended Developer Insomnia (common ailment amongst webheads – possible contributing factor – Jolt!!!)
    SET – in the days before we knew aliens were intelligent
    JEPI – make a face like a fish and say the word JEDI…….(hah you tried it didn’t you?)
    OFX – obsequious female Xaminer – i.e. someone you never want to meet in a dark ally
    OTP – who’s down with OTP – yeah you know me…
    SGML – Standard Gear Men Like (i.e. anything requiring batteries or a power source)
    DOM – British dude trying to curse
    VBS – Very Big Site (as in the 1,447 family photos you decided to upload to Xoom’s servers)
    Entity – what we see after hours of endless coding
    Attribute – best I like in a woman – Totally User Accessible
    Tag – You’re it, ah, back in the days when things were simple
    WIDL – take a knife and a stick and well, WIDL away
    Schema – Where you beg your ma to go in the Winter
    DTD – WWF wrestling move?
    WAP – sound my hand makes hitting the keyboard after debugging Perl Scripts
    WML – Women Men Like (Title that lost out to Sport Illustrated)
    HDML – HTML with a lisp?
    OSD – comment made after poor Sandy Denton wolfed down that 3 bean chili
    XLL – What we all hope to achieve in life…some level of excellence

    my contribution to a free-time-sucking website....



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    For the record, we at SitePoint have standardized on spelling "e" words in lowercase without a hypen:

    email
    ecommerce
    ezine

    Apparently this is rapidly becoming the de facto standard in the publishing industry.


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    Wayne, you were correct ... this did kick-up a discussion.

    FYI: For the responder that said "Website" is not in any dictionary, see: www.whatis.com

    Also, check-out this Microsoft site: http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q169/9/49.ASP
    ... they use "Website"

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    Elton,
    If you were to pick up the latest copy of Webster's Revised Dictionary or any other printed dictionary, you wouldn't find the word website. An online dictionary, naturally, would have at least ONE of the different spellings in it.

    I am not here to debate the legitimacy of any dictionary, but I would rather turn to Webster's Revised Dictionary in print than an online one. My reasoning for this is simple, I would rather trust something that has been around for over 50 years than something that has been here for 2 or maybe 3. An online dictionary is also more prone to bugs, crashes, and misspellings that are a result of programmer error.

    However you spell the word web site is up to you - it is a matter of personal preference. Microsoft doesn't set the standard by any means nor should you think that they do. Just because a software giant does it doesn't mean that you have to.

    Follow your heart, not Microsoft.

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    I looked in http://www.netlingo.com/ and they never had the word 'website'. Just 'web site'.

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    I always use "website". I know it isn't correct, but I have formed the bad habit of spelling internet without the capital I.

    I spell "e-mail" always with a hyphen. It just looks better to me. When I say it out loud, I say E Mail (2 syllables), not EMail (1 syllable).

    Funny....in MS Word 97:

    E-Mail returns a misspelling
    EMail doesn't
    E-Commerce doesn't return a misspelling
    ECommerce does

    Microsoft likes E-Commerce and EMail. Even MS can't go one way.

    That's all from me for now


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    As long as folks are interested, I've also found these sites with the "Website" (one-word) spelling:

    NETSCAPE: http://search.netscape.com/Computers...n?cp=srpmatcat

    MACROMEDIA: http://www.macromedia.com/support/xr...swebsites.html

    COLORADO's STATE LOTTERY (Land of Isaiah): http://www.coloradolottery.com/

    IBM: http://www.as400.ibm.com/tstudio/ebi...nal/index1.htm

    Hewlett Packard: http://www.hp.com/year2000/

    HARVARD University: http://www.is2k.harvard.edu/

    YALE University: http://www.yale.edu/athletic/Showcas...l/football.htm

    PRINCETON University and SUN MICROSYSTEMS: http://sundocs.princeton.edu:8888/ab2/@Ab2LegalNotices

    And my Word in Office2000 does recognize it; however, I may have taught it this spelling.

    In all fairness, this spelling was not necessarily the "prefer-spelling" on these sites ... but it's there. At least I no longer feel alone leaving out the space.

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    SitePoint Zealot Isaiah's Avatar
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    Elton,

    I liked how you put "Land of Isaiah" next to the Colorado lottery web site. It makes me sound like one of those wild animals they chase on that TV show "Wild" to take pictures of and then explain its realized niche.

    Anyway, I still believe that the spelling of the word is personal preference and while some places such as Harvard may spell it website, I still prefer to spell it the "old fashioned" way - web site.

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