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    Yes, another sandbox question.

    Hi,

    For the past 8 months I've been working on a 'exit the sandbox quickly' theory. All my sites have & are in the highly competitive casino industry.

    After trying different methods with a few test domains, I registered the domain addicted2slots.com on the 26'th July 2006 and put my theory to the test.

    (I should point out that I received an offer on the domain/site yesterday and accepted the deal).

    The sites index page was not uploaded till the 3'th of Aug, new pages followed every second day.

    The site was first crawled by google on the 8'th of August, with google returning on 12'th, 14'th, 16'th and then its returned every day after that. (as a side note I'm also being crawled daily by MSN, Yahoo and an assortment of other spiders).

    Now keep in mind all this has taken place in period of 3 weeks. I've not used any Blackhat or other non ethical practices to achieve these rankings.

    Currently I hold a number of spot 1 positions and also share page 1 & 2 SERP's for highly competitive k/w phrases.

    After posting this to a forum of my peers, I've had the usual influx of doubting Thomas's and those who are attempting scoff my results with quasi logic responses and discredit my results. Which is nothing I didn't expect.

    (By applying my theory to practice it's obviously worked). But, I'd be interested in hearing other people's take on this.

    In regards to the doubting Thomas's from my peers, I've agreed to register a new domain tomorrow and follow the same practical theories to prove I can obtain the same type of results.

    My question is, if google does sandbox sites based on their overall longevity
    and also penalises these sites against highly competitive keywords & or phrases, then why would my URL be able to achieve these rankings?


    Cheers

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    I'm not sure that anyone will be able to answer you definitively because most of the information we have about the 'sandbox' is speculation.

    I assume you are saying that addicted2slots.com was a brand new domain name that had not been used before and had no existing backlinks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAWK
    I assume you are saying that addicted2slots.com was a brand new domain name that had not been used before and had no existing backlinks?

    Hi HAWK,

    Did a check against waybackmachine, never registered, so yes it was a fresh domain.

    I'm not going to reveal my method, but, what I'd like is some constructive input. Be this positive or negative.

    Cheers

    PS Think this time I'll register another domain void of keyword/s, as I'm confident I can gain the same results. EG 3ws1d.com ;-)

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    According to the sandbox theories I've read, new sites do well for an initial honeymoon period for competitive phrases before disappearing out of the SERPs. If these theories are true, your site might be at the top only temprarily.

    Just out of interest, what are the highly competitive k/w phrases you rank highly for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooperman
    According to the sandbox theories I've read, new sites do well for an initial honeymoon period for competitive phrases before disappearing out of the SERPs. If these theories are true, your site might be at the top only temprarily.
    Sorry I didn't repsond straight away I'm busy working...

    Yes I've read that too & have seen this happen. My previous domain wager2win.co.uk I did basically the same thing and it managed to stay put for 7 months. (though got a good offer on that site and I sold it 6 weeks ago). There are ongoing practices that I enlist to keep the domain up there. Again no blackhatting or unthecial practices used.

    Quote Originally Posted by hooperman
    Just out of interest, what are the highly competitive k/w phrases you rank highly for?
    I may have been a bit over zealous with the word "competitive", though I tend to favour page quantity (# of pages in search topic) as a factor.

    Here a just a couple of phrases:
    (please remove XXX)

    XXXhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=microgaming+bonus+slots

    XXXhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=slots+gallery

    XXXhttp://www.google.com/search?q=bonus+slots&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N
    (spot 18) granted it's not the domain per say, but it does list the site all the same. As a side point there are other sites listed in clush that are also about slots but none of these are listed here.

    As I said maybe I'm just over zealous right now, maybe I should wait for another month or two, this would allow me to present a better picture, instead of one based only after 3.3 weeks.

    I'm going to spend some time searching for other phrases and cross ref these against a time line, least this should provide me a clear basis.


    Cheers

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    Here are the number of competitors you have for the following keyphrases:

    microgaming bonus slots: 3
    slots gallery: 16
    bonus slots: 6,420

    I'm using allintitle:"xxx" to find the approximate number of pages that have the serach term in the title. You can see that you don't really have too much competition for those terms, so it could be that the sandbox is not in effect at all (if it exists).


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