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    Quote Originally Posted by Sagewing
    Why not just settle for the real goal: to reach a financially secure place in your life, whatever that means at the time. To think that a house of a certain value by a certain age will result in certain happiness is to miss the whole point of it all.
    I will agree with you there, Sagewing.

    Unfortunately, Scott, I'm not sure that you can have the best of both worlds. If you want a nice house by 25, then money needs to be a priority right now, meaning you will probably need to do more to get it, in terms of more experience. However, if you agree that money isn't the most important thing in the world and you would like to continue to see what you can make from your own business, then you will need to push your dream back a bit. Like Sagewing said, you don't NEED a big house to be a good father. (My view is that you still need to be secure enough to not have to live paycheck to paycheck, giving you more time to worry about the kids and their well-being, however.) And just to put it into perspective--my father did not buy his "$300K house" until he retired at 54, and even then, he made payments on it because had he paid in cash all at once like you want to do, things would have been tough. (He didn't have a bad job, either.) And you know what...a lot of people don't even SEE an expensive house in their name, and if they do, it's usually when they're older. So, if you don't see it at 25, don't sweat it. I DO know a 22-year-old that owns her own home, but she also has a good work history and college experience behind her to give her a better chance of being able to continue to own that home without a mortgage. You don't have those tools at your disposal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aspen
    Money = freedom to do what you enjoy. Freedom to do what you enjoy = happiness.

    I enjoy this line of work, but I want nothing more than to retire in my 30's a millionaire and spend the rest of my life in my castle in the mountains tending my garden, writing novels, and throwing pumpkins with the miniature trebuchet in the back yard.
    a lovely dream indeed

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    will post some pics of the crib and whip this week. this is what geeking did for me.

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    I don't have much desire to retire. I am hoping to continue working for bigger and bigger clients that become more and more relevant. I went from small businesses to large corporations, then to small governments and now to larger governments. Lately I 'm starting to build relationships with the Red Cross and CARE International, and I'm just getting my foot in the door at the UN.

    Sure, I intend to work LESS and not as hard, but I dont' ever want to just stop working. To me, enjoying my work and having it be beneficial to lots of people is wealth. When I am too old to be effective, I'll go sit at my beach house and hang out. Until then, I don't want to stop being useful.
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    I don't think I will retire, either...I think I'd get too darn bored, and drive myself, and everyone around me, crazy! I merely mentioned that my dad was retired when he bought his house to make note of his age, and to note that he had had much experience at that point--and the savings to prove it--so he was able to make that kind of investment without putting himself into the poorhouse, or drastically altering his comfortable, middle-class lifestyle. Right now, I'm not sure that Scott will have that luxury if he wants to buy the same kind of house in five years.
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    I ask them if they have ever gotten a notification in their email account that they've made $1,000 dollars! : )

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    Keep the Faith

    My mom, friends and relatives thought I was being anti-social until I started to make "phat" dollars from the internet. I never tried to explain any thing to them though because it would have been a waste of time, none of them are tech people.

    Keep the faith, you will be ok. An education is always nice, but there are some very rich people out there without even a high school education. They have educated people working for them. :-)

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    I show them my Golden Temple to the Gods I am building with the money I am earning from web developing--that usually shuts them up.

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    just hang in there they will come around.
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    i hear that all the time untill they see the cash !

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    I understand how that feels a lot.

    Recently I had something similar. My fiancé's MOTHER told me my work is not worth what I charge and I should be charging less.....thanks for the support!!! She has NO CLUE about web design, the hours I work, coding etc.. involved and yet she has the nerve to say that I charge too much?!?! I charge less than most of my competitors.....

    She asked me to do a website for her. I offered to do it for free (I don't agree with charging/borrowing from/loaning to family) but they insisted that they wanted to pay me. I did the site, they were thrilled with it. I told them what I would charge commercially and said, "I don't expect anything like this from you though" (agonised for days before sending the email) and they turned around and told me I wasn't worth it. I didn't even ask for it!!!

    The moral of this rubbish story is.....

    Don't ever listen to people telling you to 'Go get a real job' OR that what you do is worth nothing. Because they DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. Listen to yourself, you are the only person you can trust....
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    Quote Originally Posted by greeneye

    She asked me to do a website for her. I offered to do it for free (I don't agree with charging/borrowing from/loaning to family) but they insisted that they wanted to pay me. I did the site, they were thrilled with it. I told them what I would charge commercially and said, "I don't expect anything like this from you though" (agonised for days before sending the email) and they turned around and told me I wasn't worth it. I didn't even ask for it!!!
    Jerks.

    I know what you mean. A lot of people don't understand the amount of work and hours put into making a website. I think it's because people don't really value things they cannot physically touch and hold -- products made for the internet might be a foreign concept to some people.
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    When you start getting clickbank checks every two weeks and checks from google adsense they'll get off your back.

    I used to sell internet marketing products... when I needed a car to drive I redid my companies website... they gave me a 97F150
    (this was a year ago)
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockbotkins
    Hello Everyone

    I get the remark a few times, mostly from my parents because 1. They think my web design business will fail and 2. They have no idea how the computer works or what the internet does. I was just wondering, how does it make you feel when someone tells you to "Go Get a Real Job"?

    It makes me feel like working smarter and stronger, I try my best to ignore the fact that my own parents have no faith in me. What about you?
    Partially, they're right. Internet business is not stable. One year you can make $200.000 another year you make only $10.000.

    The only way to prove them they wrong is to make big bucks.

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    Depends on what your situation is. If your still living at home, your treating it as a full time job, been doing it over a year or so and not making enough money to support yourself individually I think its a fair enough comment. I'd be tempted to say get a real job part time and do the other work part time untill it is built up. Too many people think creating a website and generating revinue is striaght forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archbob
    I show them my Golden Temple to the Gods I am building with the money I am earning from web developing--that usually shuts them up.
    ahahah, one day i will do the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by cs-studios
    ahahah, one day i will do the same
    Trust me, the Golden Temple is pretty convinving.

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    can i upload a pic to this forum? if so how do i do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleEnus
    can i upload a pic to this forum? if so how do i do it?
    Off Topic:

    Lol, a bit off topic. Just go [ IMG ]http://www.imageurl.com[ /IMG ] without the spaces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleEnus
    can i upload a pic to this forum? if so how do i do it?
    You cannot upload to the forum, but you can upload to your own web server or storage system and then point to the image with the [ IMG ] tags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unit7285
    I doubt if it's just you and your parents, Scott. I think many parents might think the same way, but not for the reasons you imagine. Is it possible you're personalising the situation a bit and not seeing the bigger picture? From what you've said in earlier posts I seem to remember you've pretty much decided not to continue your education past high school level and get some 'proper' further education qualifications, and the only business experience you have so far is basically schoolboy stuff.

    I'm being devil's advocate here, so don't jump up and down. To an outsider, and possibly to your parents, you're a very young guy with obvious ambition and enthusiasm but unexceptional qualifications, trying to run your own micro-business straight out of high school without any training. This means you have no genuine business experience, no genuine co-workers, no fixed schedule, no fixed responsibilities, no reliable income stream. And all the statistics show that small businesses are more likely to fail than to succeed.

    Perhaps your parents think (although they're not communicating it very well) that a regular full-time job, in the sense of working for a monthly salary as one of a team in a well-established business, would be a better start in life than chancing it on your own. The advantages they might see in a regular job could include: a regular income you can depend on; learning how to work as part of a team; learning how a proper, professional, established business works; learning discipline; learning how to manage staff; meeting deadlines set by others; dealing with people; attending training courses; sometimes having to do things you don't want to do; being put on the spot occasionally and having to succeed; getting out of the house more and expanding your social circle; and so on. None of these things - and I mean none - are best learned by simply jumping in the deep end by yourself.

    Seen from this point of view, your parents may have a point. It could be that they're worried you're not taking the most effective path towards achieving your dreams of profitable and satisfying self employment. They may be genuinely worried about your future. You can learn a lot by working for a successful business even for a short while. Think of it as accelerated training and experience. You can also build up a decent credit record and be able to get loans, mortgages or rent apartments with far less difficulty as a salaried employee. When you've learnt some stuff about real business and saved a bit of money there's nothing to stop you leaving and starting your own business, and with a far greater chance of success because you'll know a lot more about how things really work. And even if you have a full time job there's nothing to stop you running your own business part time.

    There. That's a possible alternative interpretation of your parents' apparent lack of faith in you. They might not be as heartless or disinterested as you imagine. And it may have nothing to do with their lack of knowledge about the internet - you could be setting up as a graphic artist or a landscape gardener and the same arguments would apply. Or maybe they are heartless and disinterested - but I certainly hope not. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle? That's for you to know, of course. All I'm really saying is that the reasons people think or behave in certain ways aren't always as obvious as they first appear. You sometimes have to dig a little.

    Paul
    Interesting and good post. Enjoyed the read!
    If Scott is able to be successful in his endeavor, his parents will have a hard time continuing to argue with him.
    It is always good to see another perspective like what you presented.
    Thanks,
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    ps I brand new an learning here, so if my post don't present as it ought, please excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cayne
    The money convinced everybody, but as a personal decision I also want to try to work at a real job in a few years.
    If you are making legitimate money, you've got a "real" job!

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    Lots of people make legit money without a real job. There are people that made a million in the internet porn industry, just because they were lucky and had some skill. Today, they are financially secure but aren't educated or experienced.

    There is more than money. I have clients like this - they built up a little design shop but now they are realizing that they can't get into the big leagues because they don't have the communication skills or experience with business protocol to fit in.

    There is also the notion that education makes you smarter, and that's valuable on it's own.
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    Be glad that you have the skills to work on the web. When naysayers and others are around you can always work a little harder and make more. I never say how much I make but I do mention I know people that make 6 and 7 figure incomes on the net and I know how they do it.
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    I think most online business fail business because they dont get enough support from their own



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