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    Div Design, What the web should be.

    Anybody here using table-less designs for successful revenue generating sites?

    I only know of one "corporate" site that uses table-less design.

    Are bad web standards enough to keep the serious designers and developers away?


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    I haven't seen any popular commerce sites using DIVs instead of TABLEs. Not sure if I would want to change my site to DIVs, TABLES are easier for me.

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    When I first started learning I used divs exclusively to 'try' and recreate table spacing. I did so fairly well but have found tables much easier to use. Until div positioning is 'exact' I don't plan on using them to totally create a site.
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    I'm working on a site that will have a table-less design. Correction: it will have data tables, but not layout tables. 'Won't be a corporate site, though. The only thing I wish would happen would be Netscape 4 would curl up and die...

    Though, it really doesn't look like that will happen any time soon, alas...

    I'll be sure to post how I got off with the site here on SPF sometime in the future... The suspense is killing you, right?

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    This isn't bad for an 'almost' tableless design, http://www.iht.com I have been harping on about this site for ages, but it is really spot on - design and technology wise.

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    I have a question: why are so many people against tables?
    Tables are part of standard and DIVs offer only little extra.

    To support Netscape: Communicator has a good e-mail program.

    To oppose IE: 1. I hate to change my homepage every day.
    2. "Hello, Nimda. Step right in." etc.
    (2B) or (not 2B) = FF

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    Originally posted by Hulkur
    I have a question: why are so many people against tables?
    Tables are part of standard and DIVs offer only little extra.

    To support Netscape: Communicator has a good e-mail program.

    To oppose IE: 1. I hate to change my homepage every day.
    2. "Hello, Nimda. Step right in." etc.
    At the risk of sounding stupid how does IE 'make' you change your homepage everyday?

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    I say 'Blank homepage.'
    Next day I say 'Blank homepage please.'
    Next day I say 'Blank homepage, please. Be so kind.'
    Next day I say 'Blank homepage i said!.'
    Next day I say 'Blank homepage!!!'
    and then I say 'You only are alive because crappy MS SQL Enterprise Manager needs you and I need it to work.'
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    Here is the link to the only commercial site that I've found using divs.

    http://www.mdusa.com


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    I suppose to each his own. I used to be a DIV man myself, but I have since converted to using tables.

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    I do believe layers have a place but total replacement. I am not sure that the idea will be totally implemented for quite some time due to browser differences. (enough people still use old browsers)
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    Im in the process of building a site using table-less design at the moment and so far im finding I can create much better layouts using CSS than I EVER could using tables.

    Another advantage of designing in this fashion is that although the design will not display in older browsers, if you use the @import trick to disable CSS altogether, the content of the page is simply displayed in plain-text format. So none of the content is actually obscured or destroyed by the browsers mis-rendering of the CSS styles.

    It might look a bit crap for NS4 users, but for christs sake I can think of 5 other browsers that are standards compliant, if they cannot be bothered to upgrade despite having a good selection of alternatives to choose from then why should they be catered for?


    (please note I acknowledge this doesnt really apply in real-world situations, which sucks, but thats life. )
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    Originally posted by Hulkur
    I have a question: why are so many people against tables?
    Tables are part of standard and DIVs offer only little extra.
    Because HTML is supposed to be a structural markup language, not presentational.

    Ideally, a table tag is used to display tabular data.


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