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    Keyword twice in title?

    Is that ok to do?

    Say you have a Jessica Alba pictures page, can I title it

    'Jessica Alba pictures - Various Jessica Alba pictures'

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    'Jessica Alba pictures - Jesicca Alba at the beach pictures' if its pics of something more specific.

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    No, it really isn't alright. Although the keyword stuffing is minor, it is still stuffing whether a teaspoon or a cup. Moreover, why make your page title look stupid in your visitor's browser? I also think it's like "talking down" to your visitors. They are smart enough to know that if the page is "Jessica Alba Pictures", they can expect to see Jessica Alba on the page. And why gum up their favorites (if they choose to add the page) with a too-long title?

    If you want the title to be more descriptive (and you should) why not use. Jessica Alba Pictures - At the Beach?

    If you want good SERPs, optimize your page for your visitors first and the SEs second.
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    Pick the one that describes your page most

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyflower
    No, it really isn't alright. Although the keyword stuffing is minor, it is still stuffing whether a teaspoon or a cup. Moreover, why make your page title look stupid in your visitor's browser? I also think it's like "talking down" to your visitors. They are smart enough to know that if the page is "Jessica Alba Pictures", they can expect to see Jessica Alba on the page. And why gum up their favorites (if they choose to add the page) with a too-long title?

    If you want the title to be more descriptive (and you should) why not use. Jessica Alba Pictures - At the Beach?

    If you want good SERPs, optimize your page for your visitors first and the SEs second.
    Well, I only asked as I see a lot of high ranked sites in serps for competitive keywords do the same thing, so the site cant get 'punished' for it or anything?

    Ive done it on one page on my current site and it ranked well in MSN.

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    I've seen sites that have titles like Dog Food Dog Food Dog Food Dog Food. Seems like those people think it's spider food but it isn't. If the SEs believe that what you do on your page is an attempt to manipulate SERPs, either the page won't be indexed, or depending on how big a problem they perceive it to be, the entire site can be banned.

    In this case, I don't think it's a big deal, but then I don't know what algorithms they SEs are currently using. I wouldn't do it.

    Optimize your page for your visitors and then worry about the search engines.
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    No real gain to doing it. All you are doing is diluting your keyword density in your title. I wouldn't be concerned with it, though. I doubt the effect is significant enough to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stymiee
    All you are doing is diluting your keyword density in your title. .
    What do you mean?

    Thanks

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    Titles have only so much value. The more words you have in your title, the more that value is spread around to each word giving them less weight.

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    You should optimize your site according to search engines ofcourse, but should remember that ones visiting your site through SEs are humans. Therefore it is more important to be human friendly. By making your page stupid as said you might get good SE rankings but ultimately won’t get business. Visitors will get irritated and leave your site.

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    It's only the title tho, I doubt visitors really care whats in the title, I know I generally dont look at titles when visiting a page and I dont see how whats in the title will 'irritate' them and why they will leave your site just because of your title.

    The text on the actual page wont be stupid or anything so I dont really see how people will really care, but as Stymiee said it wont make a difference anyway apparently.

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    Title don't matter much in the browser but it does when trying to figure out what link to click int he SERPs.

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    Yes and it also matters when added to favorites in IE (which still has an 80+ market share), but each to his own I guess.
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    Why use that space for the smae KW when you could use a second?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross19821982
    Is that ok to do?

    Say you have a Jessica Alba pictures page, can I title it

    'Jessica Alba pictures - Various Jessica Alba pictures'

    or

    'Jessica Alba pictures - Jesicca Alba at the beach pictures' if its pics of something more specific.
    It's technically fine doing this, no problem whatsoever, but it reads wrong, so it's a no-no.

    Firstly describe the overall theme of your site, or what this section of the site is about:
    Jessica Alba pictures (as opposed to say Kirsten Dunst Pictures in the next section)

    then what the page is about:
    Jessica Alba at the beach.

    So you end up with
    Jessica Alba pictures - Jessica Alba at the beach.
    Jessica Alba pictures - Jessica Alba at the Sin City Premiere.
    and so on. That's how you should do it, IMO.

    If it reads wrong though, ditch it. And if you ask me, 'Jessica Alba pictures - Jesicca Alba at the beach pictures' sounds wrong because of the second use of 'pictures'.

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    Ok, thanks

    I have another title related question

    I read you should make all your titles different.

    On my site I do galleries often of the same person, is it ok to use 'persons name' as the title on more then one of the galleries?

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    That's fine, but if you can make them different you will be targeting more than one keyphrase, possibly increasing traffic to your site.

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    Thanks

    These people are internet models who run affiliate progs etc to get members to there site so basically they are only searched for by there name really.


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