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    SitePoint Addict cyberprince's Avatar
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    Originally posted by hillsy
    SVG!
    Sounds Interesting! Any good resources...

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    Originally posted by moospot
    Anyone heard of Curl ???

    I just saw a Wrox book on the subject. Looks pretty interesting.
    Sorry to drap up a dead thread, but after reading a magazine article did a search for "Curl" and this was the most recent. The article:

    A new, more versatile mark-up language could spell the end for HTML. Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) have developed a new programming language, named Curl, which combines the functions of HTML with the more advanced capabilities of JavaScript.
    In future, Web programmers may only need to learn a single language, rather than both HTML and JavaScript. Curl also operated the same way for both Internet Explorer and Netscape, unlike JavaScript. As yet few pages are coded in Curl, and you need a special Surge plug-in to view them.
    Source: PC Utilities, December 2001
    And why have I never heard of it?????

    Gonna look into it some more, but with the "plug-in" requirement I'm not fretting too much - rather improve my flash skills a little.

    Incidently, counted among those pages that don't yet appear to code in Curl is http://www.curl.com/html/ . A redirect to /html/ may indicate that there is actually a Curl front page, but the one I got to uses good ole html (MM coded at that), and is run with a Perl BB and .jsp content......hmmm

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    Re: the track

    Originally posted by STEVENS
    1. HTML
    2. CSS
    3. SSI
    4. JavaScript
    5. ASP
    6. PHP
    7. PERL
    8. CF
    Looks like I made a bad jump: HTML>CSS>PHP

    Oh well, I've come to grips with myself: I'm not a coder/programmer, I'm a designer. I can do HTML and CSS, but I think I'll stick with that...for now...
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    Source: PC Utilities, December 2001
    Am I missing something, or is that in the future?

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    Originally posted by Ian Glass
    Am I missing something, or is that in the future?
    That would explain the debate on actual the content

    If it is a mag, most mags post date their magazines.
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    It is indeed a post-dated mag - anyone heard of the Curl thang?
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    OH,

    I, too, saw the Curl book from Wrox. It's in the early adopter series. Who knows if it will ever become anything or not. Usually the best ideas are not the most popular ones (Look at Microsoft =)).

    I don't think anyone here has heard of or used Curl. I did download the Surge IDE lab, but I never used it. Guess I forgot it was there.

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    Yeah, I downloaded that last night. Wish I'd waited till today (@ work) - took me over an hour on my 56k line and I don't even have the "plug-in" bit yet....ah well, I'll have a play over the next few weeks I'm sure - but then I still haven't made good use of Atmosphere which I think has great potential!

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    Originally posted by STEVENS
    1. HTML
    2. CSS
    3. SSI
    4. JavaScript
    5. ASP
    6. PHP
    7. PERL
    8. CF
    Hmm, I went from HTML > CSS > SSI > PHP/MySQL

    LOL, I made a less worse jump than you swimm5001
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    Originally posted by makeda
    in addition to everything else mentioned, I may be alone on this one but if you want to continue as a designer, start reading up on SMIL:

    http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/01/24/index3a.html

    It is not widely supported yet but it is almost a w3c standard and it much simpler than flash.
    But is it as powerful?...And I believe there is one other person in these forums supporting SMIL
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    Originally posted by Maelstrom
    That would explain the debate on actual the content

    If it is a mag, most mags post date their magazines.
    So, it’s like car companies, right? I think I saw an ad for a 2008 model the other day. Or is it like Netscape; what ever happened to version 5? Alas, marketing has taken over, again…

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    Originally posted by Ian Glass
    So, it’s like car companies, right? I think I saw an ad for a 2008 model the other day. Or is it like Netscape; what ever happened to version 5? Alas, marketing has taken over, again…
    Yepper ..pretty dumb eh?
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    Originally posted by JMulder


    Hmm, I went from HTML > CSS > SSI > PHP/MySQL

    LOL, I made a less worse jump than you swimm5001
    haha

    You don't gotta rub it in!

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    Hrm -- I appeared to have successfully executed an inverse jump....

    HTML > PHP > CSS

    It is really pretty odd -- but that's just the way it went....
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    I kinda went like Aes.

    HTML > ASP > Javascript > CSS

    though it was more like this:
    Code:
         > ASP
    HTML > JavaScript
         > CSS

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    What's after HTML?

    M.M.L.

    That stands for Microsoft's Markup Language.

    Once they completely own the browser market, they will corrupt the HTML standard so much that they will simply publish their own. It will be impossible to hand-tag your content, so you will have to use their editor; which of course you will need to license...

    Yes, I hate Microsoft.

    -t

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    Yes, I hate Microsoft.

    -t [/B]
    Could tell. .

    Many a bad experience from the hatred in your message
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    Originally posted by cyberprince


    Sounds Interesting! Any good resources...
    Try

    KevLinDev.com and SVGSpider (built entirely by using SVG).
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    Originally posted by thewitt
    What's after HTML?

    M.M.L.

    That stands for Microsoft's Markup Language.



    Im surprised they dont call them MSP, Microsoft Server Pages!

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    Originally posted by cyberprince
    SVG?
    interesting....

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    Well, guys, as I think, web designers are classified under 2 main categories:
    A- Interactive/Graphic Desingers.
    B- Technical Designers.

    Another higher level category is for Information Architects and Usability Experts.

    Of course HMTL is the base of all web design activities, but what's next HTML can be:
    The right track for A [Interactive]:
    1- HMTL
    2- PhotoShop
    3- Flash
    » All related multimedia production tools are an advantage.

    The right track for B [Technical]:
    1- HMTL
    2- CSS
    3- JavaScript
    4- DHTML
    5- XML / XSL
    6- ASP / CF or any server-side scripting language.
    » Note: mostly prefer to write code with bare hands - no WYSIWYG tools.

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    I think HTML and other Markup Languages will be with us for a long time yet. People not long ago were trumpeting Flash as the future of the web yet this hasnt happened.

    Why? Because the assumption that soon everybody will be using broadband is false. The vast majority of web surfers have no NEED for ultra-fast connections. Therefore large flash sites will always be regarded as something to be avoided unless you plan on waiting for it to finish downloading.

    Browsers will probably move further and further away from "presentational markup". Old deprecated HTML tags like <font> and <center> will probably be fully abandoned in favour of CSS. And technologies like XML & XSLT will start to assume a greater dominance.....

    One thing I dont think most net users will like is being told they have to download yet ANOTHER plugin before they can even view a site....
    THE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW ARE OLD AND MAY BE INACCURATE.
    THIS INSTALL METHOD IS NOT RECOMMENDED, IT MAY RUN
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    Even though this post is old I would like to recommened learning asp.net instead of ASP.

    I've just started working with it and so far I'm impressed.

    Just a simple task as sending out an email is extremely easy.
    Last edited by Winged Spider; Jan 3, 2002 at 19:44.


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    If HTML really is your first tep in Web development, it would only seem natural you keep heading in that direction.

    Therefore, I would suggest you get into CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) and javascript. This will lead you to DHTML. From there, you'll be pretty much set for anything, may it be backend programming or frontend programming.

    You might also want to go into more of a design field, in which case, Flash or Shockwave might be interesting picks.
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    1. HTML
    2. CSS
    3. JavaScript
    4. Flash (This comes AFTER javascript, since you will have great use of you JS knowledge when learning flash)

    Don't bother with XML/XSL, PHP, ASP, JSP and the like if you are looking to be a designer only - they are all tools of the developer.
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