whats after html?

[Kabes]

Hi all. I have lots of experience with HTML and graphics design. Would it be a good idea for me to move on to scripting, programming or flash although im only a designer? If it does, how long does it take to learn?

[iTec]

if your ONLY a designer, then id say go with flash... unless you want to move more into the code side of things, wich then i would say to probably go with javascript first, or something server side like php, or better yet, asp

[Aes]

Go the PHP route -- flash isn't exactly all that it's cracked up to be, at least when you need something for practical purposes (i.e. a business site, etc.).
Besides, why would you go with any of those silly languages like ASP, CF, or JSP?

[iTec]

Originally posted by Aes
Go the PHP route -- flash isn't exactly all that it's cracked up to be, at least when you need something for practical purposes (i.e. a business site, etc.).
Besides, why would you go with any of those silly languages like ASP, CF, or JSP?

cause its better then php hehehe :0p

[hilda]

Flash is a logical next step for a designer, especially combined with good knowledge of actionscript.

Client-side sripting such as Javascript is also a great asset since it allows more flexibility in interface design and can improve a site's functionality.

[dhtmlgod]

if you want to stay on the designer route:

• Javascript
• Flash with actionscript
• Director with Lingo
• DHTML
• Is JSS dead?

i think thats it...

my opion is that you go for CSS and javascript at the same time, and by combining them, you get dhtml, three birds with on stone

and if you want to developer:

• ASP
• PHP
• Java
• ASP.NET
• JSP
• CF

I think thats it..

ild suggest going for ASP then ASP.NET, but if you like the syntax style of javascript, then maybe u should consider going for PHP, i dont know about the rest.

hold on, if you like the syntax of javascript, use JScript for ASP

but thats jus my 2 cents

[redemption]

hi just want to put my vote to javascipt + dhtml + css and also flash...

i'd say that's the way to go for a designer...

[Kabes]

Thanks alot everyone. It is a good opportunity to receive advice from those with experience. Here in school, I am currently learning basic design principles and totally nothing to do with codings(PHP, JSP etc).

[cyberprince]

After mastering HTML I think it would be great to branch out into CSS (Cascading Style Sheets).

They are a great innovation and can solve various issues regarding how designers can control the layout of their sites.

[Chris Hester]

You could always go for XML. As for ASP, PHP has increased in popularity and appears to be more powerful. It's also easy to learn, and does some amazing things!

I learnt HTML, Javascript (a little), DHTML, CSS of course - essential to know, then moved on to XHTML and PHP. Now I'm trying to learn practically about XML.

[JMulder]

I'll say.. :

- CSS
- Basic JAVAscript
- PHP

And also at the same time Adobe Photoshop 6.0

Just my 0.02

[cyberprince]

Here are a few things I think all web designers should familiarize themselves with after they finish HTML...

1.) CSS
2.) Java Script
3.) PHp/MySql

On the Graphics Design Site

1.) Photoshop
2.) Flash

[sjoerdsantema]

If you wanna setup a template to use in all your site, go for fireworks and a What You See is what you get.

Learning html is really a must to be good at designing. Flash is not a recommandation because flash takes a lot of time to load and a lot of the older computers don't support flash.

It also isn't as dynamic as script base pages are.

Go fireworks with some editor and learn html combined with external cc style sheets and javascript.

That's it, have fun

[iTec]

Originally posted by cyberprince
Here are a few things I think all web designers should familiarize themselves with after they finish HTML...
3.) PHp/MySql

baahumbug... 3) should read ASP!!

[JohnInFl]

XML is very close to HTML. And a new technology called XHTML is coming up fast. Check it out at the book store or on the web if you have time.

[duckie]

XML is more useful for developers.

[Chris Hester]

Originally posted by JohnInFl
XML is very close to HTML.

No it's not! Besides the use of tags, it can get very complex, with schemas, styles, formatting, links, and a whole bunch of stuff that even experts could be baffled by at first. Unlike HTML, the meaning of various technical bits of code isn't obvious at first. I liken XML to the level of a programming language in that you need to process the code through a parser, create a tree if needed, and extract what information you need, then display it.

XHTML is definitely the first step, as that really is like older HTML. In fact, once you've made your documents XHTML compatible, they become XML! But they look like HTML, and act like it. Great!

Plus it's good to become stricter with your code, to avoid potential errors in browsers you get with sloppy code.

[makeda]

in addition to everything else mentioned, I may be alone on this one but if you want to continue as a designer, start reading up on SMIL:

http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/01/24/index3a.html

It is not widely supported yet but it is almost a w3c standard and it much simpler than flash.

[moospot]

Anyone heard of Curl ???

I just saw a Wrox book on the subject. Looks pretty interesting.

[hillsy]

SVG!

[cyberprince]

SVG?

[duckie]

Originally posted by cyberprince
SVG?

Scalable Vector Graphics.

http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/

Hey moospot, Curl looks interesting. Thanks for the heads up.

[Maelstrom]

my opion is that you go for CSS and javascript at the same time, and by combining them, you get dhtml, three birds with on stone

and if you want to developer:

• ASP
• PHP
• Java
• ASP.NET
• JSP
• CF

I think thats it..

This kind of approaches a question I have been wanting to ask. Can you survive in todays market as 'just' a developer???

[STEVENS]

1. HTML
2. CSS
3. SSI
4. JavaScript
5. ASP
6. PHP
7. PERL
8. CF

[wdmny]

I would say, learn these things in this order:

DHTML/CSS
Javascript
Flash

Then, move on to the coding side if you like (I love it, more power than standard pages).


Everyone else: About SVG, check 4 Guys for an article on building SVG images with ASP.