ie7 public beta out! (awaiting dl link)

**Viflux** · Feb 1, 2006 08:50

Originally Posted by Hal9k

What? Windows 2000 support won't be phased out until 2010.

Paid support, on top of your existing licensing costs.

I think most companies (mine did) would rather upgrade

On a side note, two things really annoyed me.

1 - No mention of the fact that it would remove IE6 from my machine. GRR.
2 - No Cancel button during the installation. GRR. GRR.

**jamiemcd** · Feb 1, 2006 08:59

I thought the Zoom feature (under Page menu) was very nice.

Also, they need to make it where you can move the tabs like Firefox 1.5.

**Wullie** · Feb 1, 2006 09:15

Originally Posted by mPeror

You mean something like this? it's been out for a long time.

Cool link mPeror

**momos** · Feb 1, 2006 09:22

Getting better... but way to slow to keep up with Firefox. Money does not always make a difference.

**copter** · Feb 1, 2006 09:26

So many javascript changes, my ajax needs redoing on all my sites!

**vgarcia** · Feb 1, 2006 09:29

Originally Posted by copter

So many javascript changes, my ajax needs redoing on all my sites!

Why?

**drhowarddrfine** · Feb 1, 2006 09:43

Originally Posted by momos

Getting better... but way to slow to keep up with Firefox. Money does not always make a difference.

It doesn't keep up with Opera or Safari either. Don't know about Konqueror and the others.

**Zaskoda** · Feb 1, 2006 10:03

Originally Posted by jamiemcd

I thought the Zoom feature (under Page menu) was very nice.

Also, they need to make it where you can move the tabs like Firefox 1.5.

Opera did zoom a long time ago... I thought it was the coolest feature ever... then after the *new* wore off I never really used it again.

**stef686** · Feb 1, 2006 10:25

Is it just me or do no CSS rollover effects work??

**Spencer F.** · Feb 1, 2006 10:30

I haven't tried it just yet, but I have friends that tell me that it's crash happy.

**briansol** · Feb 1, 2006 10:31

there's a ton of CSS bugs in ie7.

* html { } isn't read by ie7, yet, it still doesn't render them properly.

there will be a new slew of hacks for this POS.

MS should stick to doing something besides making software....

**jamiemcd** · Feb 1, 2006 10:37

Originally Posted by Spencer F.

I haven't tried it just yet, but I have friends that tell me that it's crash happy.

IE 7 Beta 2 crashed on my computer rather quickly. I checked it out for a few minutes to see how my sites rendered and then uninstalled it. I would have left it installed if I could have also ran IE6.

25 posts!!! At long last, I can ditch the Santa Suit.

**Worldbuilder** · Feb 1, 2006 10:40

I just installed it on my workstation at work (ertainly ain't gonna risk wy workstation at home). Not bad overall. No crashes yet, no problems yet.

I haven't tried any development items as of yet, but it is definitely faster than IE6. Tabbed browsing is virtually identical (so far) to that of FF, BUT if you think FF has bad memory leaks and uses entirely too many resources, IE7 is currently using 103MB with only two tabs open... In FF, I don't get over 100MB until I have a dozen tabs open...

As of yet, that's my only complaint... But I'm sure I'll come up with some mroe.

Chris

**DougBTX** · Feb 1, 2006 10:48

If you'd like to keep IE6 while you try out IE7: http://digg.com/software/MS_Official...ecomment956833

It seems like they've done some good work on the CSS front, if you use positioniseverything.net as something to measure it by. Note that their CSS fixes only apply in "strict" mode, so if you're triggering strict mode but still using poor quality CSS on the basis that that's a good thing or because you don't know any better, expect your pages to fall to pieces.

Douglas

**jpatterson** · Feb 1, 2006 11:37

I know it's not the most important issue with the new Beta, but why did they change the name from Microsoft Internet Explorer to Windows Internet Explorer?

Also:

Is it just me or do no CSS rollover effects work??

Yea!! I've found a few that work on my own server but there are also a few that don't. I have a couple of pages where the border changes from white (effectively transparent) to green - but it doesn't seem to work in IE7.

**Halo-13** · Feb 1, 2006 11:41

Originally Posted by J Windebank

To uninstall: Start -> Control Panel -> Add or Remove Programs. Tick the box at the top "Show Updates" and you will find "Internet 7 Explorer Beta 2" under "Windows XP - Software Updates".

As you can tell my copy has already gone bye byes...

Thanks for posting this. You know I have never noticed that "Show Updates" check bock before. I was having problems trying to find out how to un-install this POS of a web browser.

OK, I know it's in beta but I really don't have my hopes up for this product and it really disappoints me that Microsoft of all companies can't get something as simple as a web browser done right. I find it funny that this company is one of the big investors of W3C and their product doesn't properly follow the standards.

**jpatterson** · Feb 1, 2006 11:55

Haha, also, how weird is it that Google is the default search engine rather than MSN?

**Worldbuilder** · Feb 1, 2006 12:36

Here's something else I notice... I use IG (personalized Google page) as my home page. In IE7, none of the feeds I get through ig are updating... I've had the wame things showing on ig for 5 hours now even though I know for a fact that content from those feeds has changed...

Anyone else having IE7 IG issues?

Chris

**Hal9k** · Feb 1, 2006 12:43

Originally Posted by Viflux

Paid support, on top of your existing licensing costs.

Fair point.

For those who can't be bothered to install some, screenshots for you.

**NikoB** · Feb 1, 2006 13:21

@css hacks for ie7:
these exist already... just use conditional comments: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html
the only thing i am really curious about is how often we will have to use this... and when the first service pack for ie7 is coming out

**vgarcia** · Feb 1, 2006 13:31

For those of you who don't want to overwrite your IE6 install with IE7:

* Extract IE7B2P-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe to a temporary folder.
* Working within' the extracted directory, delete the following:
o update\
o install.ins
o spmsg.dll
o spuninst.exe
o spupdsvc.exe
* Create a blank text file within' the directory and rename it to iexplore.exe.local.
* Move the directory to a location in which you want to store the now standalone version of Internet Explorer 7 Preview (eg. X\IE7 BETA2).
* Execute iexplore.exe.

**stymiee** · Feb 1, 2006 13:31

IE 7 rendering of the acid 2 test: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachm...73&action=view

Still awful

Maybe they should call this IE 6.5 since they really aren't making any real progress on their rendering engine.

**drhowarddrfine** · Feb 1, 2006 15:00

Originally Posted by stymiee

IE 7 rendering of the acid 2 test: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachm...73&action=view

Still awful

Maybe they should call this IE 6.5 since they really aren't making any real progress on their rendering engine.

Exactly what I've been saying all along. IE7 is just IE6 with a few fixes and blinking lights.

**earther** · Feb 1, 2006 15:18

I haven't installed IE7 but did test with BrowserCam. The CSS horizontal rollover/dropdown navigation on www.prodigytek.com is fubared. It is a combo of Suckerfish and Paul O'Brien's code and took hours of hair-pulling to get it to work cross-browser in the first place. I can't bear the thought of having to take this back to the drawing board.

Here is the screen capture for those of you who haven't installed.

Could someone who has IE 7 running please take a look and confirm just how bad it is? Thanks.

MS is certainly providing incentive for a career change (or retirement!) . . .