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Thread: Trouble in Zend Framework Land?
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Jan 15, 2006, 10:44 #51
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Originally Posted by shiflett
Zend may have been better to either not mention it or provide a fairly good date on when something would be released.
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Jan 15, 2006, 11:14 #52
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Originally Posted by shiflett
I recently joined a team advising on how to develop a site. Basically, if we want decent software we'll have to write it ourselves. I'd like to look forward a year or two from now to a time when there might be a range of solid apps to choose from, built with Zend or other, similar frameworks, which will satisfy the test-infected amongst us.
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Jan 15, 2006, 19:48 #53
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Originally Posted by lastcraft
Whatever happens Marcus I think you (and a few other regulars here) should brace yourselves to be dissapointed with the Zend framework.
Don't take this the wrong way but IMO thats a good thing~ if you thought that the framework was brilliant that would probably mean that it was inaccessible/irrelevant for most regular PHP users.
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Jan 15, 2006, 21:24 #54
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Hi...
Originally Posted by firepages
. I'm a C++'er... (and possibly a Rubyist nowadays)
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Originally Posted by firepages
. I'm not after a clever framework though, I just want the best for the users.
Really, I'd quite like to see code that was accessable. SimpleTest does a lot of things differently from the fiendishly clever JUnit, just because it would have made it inaccessable. I actually think PHP is brilliant in this regard...and moan all the time, because it could be so much better with a bit of bug fixing and finishing off.
I wouldn't recommend that the ZPF introduce dependency injection for example, and I think the choice of ActiveRecord is a good one. On the other hand, it wouldn't pay to have a glass ceiling, so I think Zend have to tread a bit carefully. PHP is not Ruby. If you spray static methods around, there are no mixins to dig you out of the hole.
How about this alternate syntax...?
PHP Code:$transaction = new ZUnitOfWork();
$people = $transaction->Person->findAll();
yours, MarcusMarcus Baker
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Jan 15, 2006, 21:32 #55
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Originally Posted by shiflett
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Anyway, Zend surely has their reasons for choosing to keep everything under wraps at the moment, and I imagine that they didn't take that decision lightly. But I do think that they haven't been handling this as well as they could.
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Jan 16, 2006, 03:30 #56
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Originally Posted by lastcraft
Dagfinn Reiersøl
PHP in Action / Blog / Twitter
"Making the impossible possible, the possible easy,
and the easy elegant" -- Moshe Feldenkrais
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Jan 16, 2006, 05:32 #57
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Off Topic:
Originally Posted by lastcraft
? The idea is very interesting!
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Jan 16, 2006, 09:15 #58
Getting back to the issue of static finders vs. finder objects, I was just thinking that a good solution would be to implement the functionality in a finder object, but add static methods as wrappers to the finder object in the active model; best of both worlds?
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Jan 16, 2006, 12:14 #59
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Originally Posted by pachanga
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Feb 23, 2006, 18:52 #60
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Feb 24, 2006, 14:40 #61
Think I'll wait till it gets patched properly.
Atleast one patch for it exists atm, so hopefully will be fixed soon.
Back to the original topic, anyone think that the Framework is going to make an appearance before end of February, as Andi suggested on the PHP podcast?
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Feb 25, 2006, 13:51 #62
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Originally Posted by Ren
Chris Shiflett
http://shiflett.org/
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Feb 25, 2006, 14:21 #63
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Well, I doubt its going to be announced today or tommorrow. A Zend announcement on Monday would be most welcome. Apple has a big announcement on Tuesday. Wednesday is March. We'll know soon enough.
Anyway, its not like the framework will turn into a pumpkin at the stroke of midnight on the 28th.
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Feb 25, 2006, 14:27 #64
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Well, I don't want to be a party pooper but I can't see any announcement this spring, maybe this summer... ?
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Feb 25, 2006, 15:55 #65
Originally Posted by Dr Livingston
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Still nothing definite though what I did hear though, is the reservations of Ruby On Rails within the conversations... I've stated in the past that I have my own reservations, well I can't be all that far off, by following my gut instincts huh
So people, I wouldn't wipe PHP of the map just yet then...
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Mar 1, 2006, 17:57 #67
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Mar 1. Oh, well. These things happen.
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Mar 1, 2006, 18:37 #68
Or don't
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Mar 1, 2006, 18:40 #69
Originally Posted by Selkirk
Just kidding, just kidding...
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Mar 4, 2006, 05:32 #70
Ah, its arrived..
http://framework.zend.com/
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Mar 4, 2006, 06:48 #71
No AR?
Guess they didn't warp time and fixed the self:: "bug" in 5.0.2+
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Mar 4, 2006, 07:15 #72
Originally Posted by thr
this::
self::
owner::
caller::
Etc...
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Mar 4, 2006, 07:16 #73
Yes I know, but I find it more then amusing that they showcased code which didn't work
enough of that tho... the ZF looks well.. decent, the search and mail functions are very cool tho
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Mar 4, 2006, 07:29 #74
Originally Posted by thr
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Originally Posted by thr
Can you do mod_rewrite magic so that the http:://localhost/test/zend/controller/action results in a $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] = '/controller/action' ? Not that modifying the router was hard.
I couldn't find any documentation on the Controller, so I stuck up my notes on www.akrabat.com. Of course, I might have completely mis-used it!
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