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    The Onion - Open Directory

    Hey Gang,

    Hoping you can help me do a little research here.

    How many listings "in different categories" can you find for "The Onion?"

    http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/searc...22the+onion%22
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    Hey Chris,

    Thanks for the link. I guess you learn something every day.

    Here is the reason for my curiosity. The ODP Guidelines for multiple listings are (which I am sure you know by heart) are:


    Multiple Listing Guidelines...........
    In most cases a site need only be listed in one Open Directory category. However, there are a few occasions on which a site could be listed in more than one category. These sites should be limited to those that have true research value and/or cover a number of different subjects to such a degree that one category isn't sufficient in describing the site's contents. There are also some instances in which a site might be listed in both a subject category and a regional category, such as a site about a professional sports team. But multiple listings should be the exception, not the rule.
    Now, just taking this on face value, I see 32 listings for "The Onion."

    Going a little farther, if I check for theavclub.com (onion companion) I get 158 listings or categories with 255 pages included!

    http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/searc...=theavclub.com

    Wow! That's some exception!! Google does not crawl as well.

    So, naturally - I wonder if I should start submitting the primary pages on all of my web sites - just making sure that each primary page focuses on a different topic and/or could be placed in a distinct category.

    However, that makes me nervous.
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    there are multiple listings and then there are deep links.

    Deeplinks are listings of certain subsections of a site.

    http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=about.com

    A ton of deep links.

    Multiple listings are listings of the exact same url.

    Deeplinks are standard practice for sites that have a wide variety of content. Multiple listings are not standard practice and are more closely monitored.
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    Hey Chris,

    Thank you so much for the info. This is very helpful.

    Looking at the About.com listings it's easy for me to see why these should be listed multiple times. The first 50 listings I looked at even had their own unique sub-domains. They were in effect "mini sites" at About.com that were focused on a specific topic.

    But going back to my example from The Onion - (and specifically the avclub) the listings are not "mini sites" or topics. They are individual web pages for specific specific interviews.

    http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/searc...=theavclub.com

    In fact, if you go to the very first listing in the link noted above - you will see that it is for a band called Nine Days.

    Here is the resulting page:
    http://www.theavclub.com/avclub3618/justify3618.html

    Whoa!!! ..... You'll find that this page contains only one paragraph of text.

    And that's where I am confused. It's kind of hard to compare one paragraph of text on a web site to the vegetarian category at about.com (i.e. vegetarian.about.com) which contains what amounts to an entire web site about vegetarian eating.

    Anyway - all that said - I have to agree that I believe the Editor there enhanced! the index by adding this page. For example, a search on ODP for the phrase "Nine Days" pulls up 14 results and as a surfer I would want to see the one paragraph blurb from AV club listed there. To me, this is an improvement to the index - not a distraction.

    But from a submission perspective, I want to be safe.

    I cover many subjects on my personal site. And each of those distinct subjects contains a primary entrance page. If I am following this correctly, that means I should submit each of these primary entrance pages to ODP under the most appropriate category. Hey! It makes sense to me.

    But like many folks - I am cautious. So, if you can provide any guidance regarding submission of deep links - that would be very appreciated.

    (Also - just a note - and this is not to pump you up, Chris). I promise. But IMHO, ODP is one of the few directories that generally gets things right. So, please don't take this as any kind of a dis on ODP. I just want to make sure I understand the submission guidelines completly.

    Thanks!
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    I cover many subjects on my personal site. And each of those distinct subjects contains a primary entrance page. If I am following this correctly, that means I should submit each of these primary entrance pages to ODP under the most appropriate category. Hey! It makes sense to me.
    Yup go ahead.

    As for 1 paragraph deep links. Generally this are a no-no but every editor has their own opinion, some editors are less aware of guidelines, and some listings may have been added before guidelines were changed.

    That being said often sites contain only 1 page of information, even when they are not deep links. The test really is in the description. If it says "extensive article...." or "brief article..." and its the opposite then you know you have a problem.
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    Thank you again, Chris....

    Wonderful thread!!!
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    I agree. Go ahead and submit the different pages of your site
    that deal with different topics.

    Since your site is large and the information is varied it shouldn't
    be a problem getting in the different sections that correspond to your
    sites content.

    Good luck JK!
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