I guess I don't understand why you don't want to compare Rails and PHP
If you take things from Ruby which are built in:
and compare to things from Rails:
class SoldShape < Shape
then I'm not sure if the distinction between frameworks and languages is as black and white as you make it out to be.
class Post < ActiveRecord::Base
On the other hand, if you compare this Perl:
With the PHP:
print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
$title = 'Hello, world!';
I think that it is quite hard to argue that PHP is "just a language" and doesn't provide at least some of the structure you would expect from a framework.
<?php $title = 'Hello, world!'; ?>
<title><?php echo $title ?></title></head>
<h1><?php echo $title ?></h1>
As for the "whatever killing whatever" nonsense, snap out of it already. There's no zero sum game going on, it isn't a win-loose situation. Win-win is much closer to the mark. If the existance of Rails puts more focus on making it even easier to write applications with PHP, that can only be good for PHP.
Originally Posted by Dr Livingston