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    Originally posted by HyperBaseball


    "...But I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night."

    Actually, what I usually add is "but I do much of their work for them...." :P

    It's amazing what we (PI's) do and charge about $75 an hour for, and they (attorneys) complain about the price, then they go and charge their client's their rate ($250-500/Hr) for the same work.
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    Re: Still no definition

    Originally posted by rgremill
    I was hoping to get a textbook definition of price fixing.

    Why aren't the SitePoint lawyers posting to this thread? You should invite them to post. (More traffic! ;-) ) That would be interesting.
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    Originally posted by beley
    I'm pretty sure I heard that under the new digital information act (or whatever it's called) moderators of forums and chat rooms were not held liable for the actions (or posts) of its members. It should be like a newspaper classified ad, the newspaper is not held responsible for any illegal activity that results from an ad being placed.

    That's just what I heard on TechTV though... take it with a grain of salt. Thanks for the info on Price Fixing though... interesting. I never would have thought about it that way.
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    Well, price fixing aside - I've found a great formula for coming up with an hourly rate without just *guessing* Take a look below. If you put in all your numbers, they should work out. This is actually how several professional organizations suggest designers come up with hourly rates.

    There is a great formula in the Graphic Artists Guild Handbook of Pricing and Ethical Guidelines (unfortunately, I left my copy at work). But it's something like take all your expenses (rent, utilities, phone, computer, software, etc.) add your yearly salary (reasonable - don't go overboard) and divide by the number of workable hours in a year. That number varies. if you're a business owner you also have to figure in time for administrative work and advertising, etc.

    Days in a year - 365
    Minus Weekends - 104
    Minus vacations, sick time - 20

    Total days worked - 241
    Hours / day (estimated ACTUAL working time) - 5 hrs.

    Total hours for the year... 1205

    Expenses...
    Salary - 45,000 (gracious, isn't it )
    Expenses - 35,000 (you've got an office downtown!)
    Profit (As a general rule of thumb, 25-35%) - 30,000
    Total expenses - 110,000

    Divided by nubmer of hours - $91 / Hour

    You probably won't work that many hours (especially if you're a freelancer or business owner), or have that many expenses, but you get the idea...

    Hope this helps

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    Yar, that's very down to earth. Except for the hours a day worked part!

    Someone gave me this pricing model once:
    ((DayOfYear MOD 2) * ClientAge)
    Then add zeroes.

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    I like that, beley.

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    Thanks Delemtri - the hours a day part is actually a little high if you're running your own business... b/c you have to do advertising, paperwork, billing, accounts payable, call potential customers, go to meetings, do proposals, etc.

    When I owned my own firm, I probably worked an average of 3-4 hours a day. Now that I'm working for a company doing web development it's more like 5-6.

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    Sorry, the previous post was a little off - I meant to say that I usually only work on DESIGN for 3-4 or 5-6 hours a day, I'm usually AT work for 8-10 hours a day


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