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    I have to say that I understand that money is money but I certainly won't be paying for listings here. When you're like me and the majority of your websites sell for $50-$75 then it's not worth it. I can get just as much free exposure at other forums. I hate to see this happen, but again I understand.
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    I gotta stick to my guns here. This is going to be best for everyone EXCEPT the lowlifes... like the ones selling bootleg scripts with no license *cough cough* but we wont mention any names shall we?

    Secondly ... and MAN has this been burning my butt since this post started... How much more FREE stuff can SP offer. I mean MY GOD FOLKS. There's nothing you cant learn here for free, you can get work, get people to work for you and then on top of it sell stuff... I MEAN SERIOUSLY, how much does everyone want for NOTHING!

    This "everythings free" nonsense really has to STOP! man oh man SOMEONE has to pay the freaking bills and as SP grows so do the bills! I think you have ALL forgotten how much time and money it REALLY costs to keep a site like this, with this much traffic, running 24 /7!

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    What about the small sites that have a BIN of like $20? And what about us web entrapenuers who are just getting started? We can't afford a site that's going to cost over $500! Only high-priced sites will be able to have the interest to pay a $10 listing fee...otherwise they'd lose money in the sale..

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    I think it's a good idea. People selling sites won't want to waste $10 trying to sell something that isn't a viable sales proposition. Adding $10 to the resale value isn't a big deal... if the seller knows it's worth someone else buying it, and if they think $10 is putting themselves 'out there', then they probably needed to think twice about selling it in the first place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dc dalton
    I gotta stick to my guns here. This is going to be best for everyone EXCEPT the lowlifes... like the ones selling bootleg scripts with no license *cough cough* but we wont mention any names shall we?

    Secondly ... and MAN has this been burning my butt since this post started... How much more FREE stuff can SP offer. I mean MY GOD FOLKS. There's nothing you cant learn here for free, you can get work, get people to work for you and then on top of it sell stuff... I MEAN SERIOUSLY, how much does everyone want for NOTHING!

    This "everythings free" nonsense really has to STOP! man oh man SOMEONE has to pay the freaking bills and as SP grows so do the bills! I think you have ALL forgotten how much time and money it REALLY costs to keep a site like this, with this much traffic, running 24 /7!
    I hear what you're saying, but SP has always had all of this free. It was always an attraction. Now they change it, that's what makes it weird. Last time I contacted them about ads, they were selling for $1,000/month/category, 3 month minimum. I'm not sure how much their server costs, but I would imagine that $3-5k a month would cover it, no? On top of that, the books they sell, on top of that the business SitePoint.com drives to SitePoint.com.au, on top of that the ads they have on the blogs, on top of that the SPF staff work for free. Ah well, I haven't seen their expense sheets, so I'll stop talking now.


    Another point I thought I'd add... when I shop for sites, I look for sites that don't have revenue. Or if they do, it's very little. I look for a site with content, design, domain name, and maybe a bit of traffic to kickstart. I buy these because it gives me the operatunity to market them, without getting it from off the ground. (I'm talking custom sites, not turnkey.) These sites are usually ~$100, maybe a bit less. They're not going to show up here anymore due to this fee. Sure, a personal point, but still.

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    I am glad I joined before this happened (beat it barely), and I do understand why this is happening, I have owned forums/sites that would crash the server when it got too many visitors, but I dont think the added price will cut down on visitors, but posts will be the most affected, why not do it based on price, the BIN is $20, charge $2, Bin is $40, charge $4, or something like that, then anything over $200 or $100 could be the $9.95, or it could be $5 for all sites up to $100 then $10 for over that, it could also be based on the number of sites they are selling.

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    My two cents...

    Typo: The 'Sell Your Site' forum attract

    And to be picky by website standards, it's unnecessary to use both and alike, as they are redundant: looking to purchase both small and large websites alike

    I'm also wondering--what is "our innovative auction"? Something that's in the works at the moment?

    For what it's worth, I do think the number of sites put up will drop, but the quality should go up. I also don't have a problem with SitePoint trying to monetize this activity; that's what businesses do, isn't it?

    However, I do think it might be a good idea to run an "introductory special" of say $4.95 or perhaps even less, if only to test the waters. I've seen that done on a number of forums, and it's a bit less offputting than just a sudden change.

    Okay, I'm going to click submit, but something tells me there'll be twenty replies already. Hope I'm not repeating anything that somebody has said already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alaxsxa
    I am glad I joined before this happened (beat it barely), and I do understand why this is happening, I have owned forums/sites that would crash the server when it got too many visitors, but I dont think the added price will cut down on visitors, but posts will be the most affected, why not do it based on price, the BIN is $20, charge $2, Bin is $40, charge $4, or something like that, then anything over $200 or $100 could be the $9.95, or it could be $5 for all sites up to $100 then $10 for over that, it could also be based on the number of sites they are selling.
    Waaay too difficult to admin, unfortunately.

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    I think this will hurt SP greatly, again this is just my opinion but a percentage point would be more feasable


    ie: each seller has a minimum there site will start at, say 300.00, from that starting point SP charges something like 1-5%, this would create 3.00-15.00 and a whole lot more for high end sites for sitepoint for whoever is serious about their sale and would also give a chance to those who make income on turnkey sites, where SP makes .50 to 2.50 each on those, I believe this would have to add up to a whole lot more than a fixed fee that puts 75% of sellers out of a place to post

    and this would keep out the bogus posters at the same time, say a person has a site worth 50.00, he wants a minimm of 300.00, SP still gets up to 15.00 for allowing him/her to post and the seller is out for being ridiculous, and at the same time gives him/her the monies worth in finding out how much their site is really worth in the marketplace

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    Well actually he DOES HAVE a possible "middle of the road" idea here... why not make it 10% of th opening price ... everyone say "Lets start at $xx" ... Not sure how hard to monitor but if they HAD to put a starting bid in when they post it just might work!

    Bbut then again no, cause everyone would do the old ebay .99 opening and then set a reserve ... seen that trick once too often at ebay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by someonewhois
    Waaay too difficult to admin, unfortunately.
    if SP is looking to take away these duties as moderators and handle it in house then they should be able to admin something that works

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    i see there is already a page up for adding credits to start threads, how long have you guys been working on this?

    I joined DNForum.com because I had an extra $6 for a silver membership, but I now find it useless because noone will dell for me, so I will save up to purchase the platinum, I thought when I joined that I had found a good place to sell my sites, and I was right, but now am not sure, but we will see how it works, and If I sell my website I listed today, I may pay the fee to sell, i have never had sucess with forum sales, I must not post the right stuff or something, but if I can sell it here, I know this may be the right place, but If traffic drops off, I have a lower chance for selling it.

    Good Luck with this plan, I think it may work for high priced websites but not for low priced ones. I do agree that the quality of the sites and people may go up.

    Also, could you post what the approximate amount the new server will cost? I know this might not be the best, but maybe someone can offer you a cheaper one, or knows of a cheaper one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alaxsxa
    Also, could you post what the approximate amount the new server will cost? I know this might not be the best, but maybe someone can offer you a cheaper one, or knows of a cheaper one.
    The cost of the server IMO isnt the problem ... but the bandwidth bills must be a KILLER!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dc dalton
    Well actually he DOES HAVE a possible "middle of the road" idea here... why not make it 10% of th opening price ... everyone say "Lets start at $xx" ... Not sure how hard to monitor but if they HAD to put a starting bid in when they post it just might work!

    Bbut then again no, cause everyone would do the old ebay .99 opening and then set a reserve ... seen that trick once too often at ebay!
    to offset that, SP could add, minimum starts are 25.00, anything over 1000.00 would be another 5% surcharge, of course this would take alot of work on someones part but i think would be worth it to SP, there has never been enough high end sites here to warrent a 10.00 fixed fee

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    Quote Originally Posted by alaxsxa
    but maybe someone can offer you a cheaper one, or knows of a cheaper one.
    i am sure at this point SP could "negotiate" a pretty fair price for what they require

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    Quote Originally Posted by dc dalton
    The cost of the server IMO isnt the problem ... but the bandwidth bills must be a KILLER!
    I dont see why havent they gotten unmetered bandwidth, it is not too much to add to a dedicated server, many server companies offer unmetered/unlimited bandwidth with the purchase/renting of a server, is it because the bandwidth causes the server to overload or what? I think they may be with the wrong hosting company, unless they host their own server at their facility.

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    This is definately a huge disapointment for me as a buyer and potential seller of several $200-8k sites.

    As a buyer I image I'll keep looking as the sites that do sell will probably still get listed, but still only a fraction. As a seller heck I was balking at paying the $50 for dnforum lifetime, but now that's a bargain, or worst case I can list at wht for free.

    Sure it'll drive away all the sub $150, and many others in the high end, and most of the for sale posts by folks with no intention other than finding someone willing to pay $2k for a 1mo old site with no traffic and *potential*.. but really I think overall it'll kill traffic and eyeballs to this section and drive it to the other forums we all check anyway. I guess if that's you're intention to cut down on the time required to service the forum it'll definately work.

    $10 per listing just seems rather high as other have commented with other options to drive revenue if your $1k/mo adv doesn't do it. I would think a fair amount of folks would pony up for PM box increases, account perks, or add some well placed ads spots from adsense which might actually interest readers.

    I enjoyed SP and the sell your site forum as my #1 stop for buying/selling, somehow I get the feeling I'll be spending more time over at dnforum in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fusionhosting
    I think overall it'll kill traffic and eyeballs to this section and drive it to the other forums we all check anyway.
    I have to agree, there are MANY sites sold here for way below what they are or could be eventually worth, that people will not pay 10.00 to list, this will just allow WHT and other forums to pick up the members and traffic the loss will generate

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    Im happy to see this..
    eliminate some of the fluff..

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    These forums were very popular long before the marketplace became what it is today. These forums are going to thrive despite the negative feelings some members have towards this move. Our non-marketplace forums are the best on the Internet hands down and that's what this place is all about. The members and staff here are beyond friendly and the amount of knowledge available here is mind boggling. Charging for the privilege to sell your site will not change any of that.

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    I think a loss of traffic could be what the admins want, however i do not think it will happen, but there is a chance, as with all things in life.

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    SitePoint has deployed a new system in the 'Sell Your Site' forum whereby users need to pay a one-off listing fee of $9.95 to post a thread in this forum.
    also, this says per thread, so anyone can come in and post 100 turnkey sites in one thread and make 100's/1000's while SP makes 9.95, makes no sense, a percentage PER SITE will garner more, alot more in the long run for SP and keep the real sale threads just that, real

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsotmoon
    also, this says per thread, so anyone can come in and post 100 turnkey sites in one thread and make 100's/1000's while SP makes 9.95, makes no sense, a percentage PER SITE will garner more, alot more in the long run for SP and keep the real sale threads just that, real
    youve actually got a good point that MANY havent noticed ... its $9.95 per thread ... now how many threads run 2 - 20 sites!


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