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    That NYCAsians site is very similar to SitePoint's website. It may not be a complete ripoff of the site, but it obviously is a breech of copyright law. Take a look at the source code. The stylesheet definitions are the same as SP's. They seemed to go in and retype all the code, changing many attributes in different orders. They have the same table widths, the same exact colors, and the variable names in the javascript are the exact same. It's just way to similar IMO.
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    yea... but when you look at it the design does not come close to sitepoint.

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    How did you find that one, Kevin?

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    Anyone that thinks that, that design isn't a copy, then you are insane. Everything is the same, they changed, the logo, and the top links to suit their site and that is all.

    ...Take 'em down officer

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    It was reported through our contact page.

    The site is definitely a ripoff of our design. They basically took our tables and border graphics and pasted in a bunch of soft porn. Jumpthru, we do not own the Web, but we do own the rights to our own work.

    At least this mob was thoughtful enough not to use our logo.
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    first of all,
    it's written coming soon, on their website. And i will also gladly like to know what hapened please tell us An administrator, how that happened ?, did you send an email? , saying what ?, did you charge something ?, are they going to tribunal ?,
    I'm youngster, and would like to know the sanctions!,
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    It seems you guys think you own the web. Yea they were inspired slightly by your design. And all they really sort of copied woud be the footer, which isn't that close...
    "based" on the SP design
    http://www.sitepointforums.com/image...curv_right.gif
    http://nycasians.com/srch_curv.gif

    Same file. 164 bytes. The whole thing is just copied and run through some WYSIWYG program. I am personally not that fussed about it, but please don't tell me that they were 'slightly inspired'! :)

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    Gees, they really copied Sitepoint!,
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    Some people! Morals about as high off the ground as a snail's A**

    Have you had a response from the yet, Kevin? It would be interesting to hear what they have to say.
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    Originally posted by Saz249
    Some people! Morals about as high off the ground as a snail's A**
    Guilty as charged!

    Now that it i know they have actually directly taken some of the components my opinion has swung towards SitePoints side.

    Another thing of interest, i think the dudes over at NYCAsians are members here at SPF.
    I was taking a look around their site, forums in particular and found a mod with the location "Between a rock and a hard place". I know there is someone here at SP with that location, just dont know who!!
    Maybe they are the same person, or maybe they just copied a location title...which is incredibly lame :P
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    Here's another one:

    http://www.spoofbook.com/

    They've definitely modified it quite heavily, though. Check out the cartoony version of our daily tip feed down the left. Seems to me if you're going to go to this much trouble modifying a site you've copied, you might as well just begin with an original idea...
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    Kevin,

    How do you manage to handle so many blatant copies of SitePoint? Does a solid legal letter usually thwart the copycats? It has been my experience that sending them a cease and desist order usually stops the plagiarist in their tracks.

    In any case, I hope that the entire matter is taken care of soon! We've had what...three or four copiers so far? There are probably heaps more, considering that a lot of SitePoint's articles could be claimed by someone else

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    Well... I'd just like to say a few words right now.

    There's a very thin line (and these sites have decidedly crossed it) between being influenced and having copied a site. For example I'd say SitePoint has influenced me through their users and through their interface, which I looked at and decided that it wasn't enough to have an everyday leftwards navigation bar and Link1 | Link2 sort of setup. But honestly, look at http://www.ryftweb.com... am I copying? (If I am, please tell me! )

    I'm not trying to say any of you are wrong or that SitePoint is wrong for taking action because they're certainly not; just that, I dunno, I'm not quite sure what I was trying to say. oh well... bye then.

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    Originally posted by kyank
    Here's another one:

    http://www.spoofbook.com/

    They've definitely modified it quite heavily, though. Check out the cartoony version of our daily tip feed down the left. Seems to me if you're going to go to this much trouble modifying a site you've copied, you might as well just begin with an original idea...
    Kevin, I'm sorry, but spoofbook, although similar (have they actually taken code?) is not like SP, besides, its in flash. I think your going too far now, and anything that remotely looks like SP is gettin punished - which isnt fair.

    The NYC Asians one maybe, but spoofbook? it looks similar but I dont think so.
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    Well just because Spoofbook is in flash, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be punished. It is modified heavily but it clearly resembles sitepoint and therefore, some action should be taken though I suppose the level of severity can be debated.

    NYC Asians should definetly be reprimanded.

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    Originally posted by techie2003
    Well just because Spoofbook is in flash, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be punished. It is modified heavily but it clearly resembles sitepoint and therefore, some action should be taken though I suppose the level of severity can be debated.

    NYC Asians should definetly be reprimanded.

    Action depends upon on the person.
    Erm, SP should take action because it "resembles" SP? Am I hearing right? so if a site slightly resembles another, in one form or another that makes it copyright theft?

    Geez, that then puts a hell of a lot of sites in trouble.

    I never said cos its in flash its ok, I was meerly pointing it out. I still dont think Spoofbook have done anything that wrong.

    How also do you proove that they copied SP? its not that obvious if in fact they have...
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    I think the fact that they're using the same color background is a sort of deciding factor, don't you?

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    Hmmm...all sites that use black as their background color should pay me money cause I was the first person to use black backgrounds on the internet.

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    Uhm?

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    Originally posted by delemtri
    I think the fact that they're using the same color background is a sort of deciding factor, don't you?
    No, I dont think it is, I agree with Creole's humour here.

    So I should prosecute any site that has a white bg like mine now should I?

    I think in the case of SpoofBook Kevin, and SP maybe getting a bit carried away IMHO.

    But cos its in flash, it will be very difficult to proove that they took SP's design...
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    Take a look at that goofy side thing on their site that says "hot n spicy" ..now look at SitePoint's Tip of the Day script on their homepage. Familiar?

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    For those who think SitePoint is casting about, taking the steamroller to any site that uses any design elements that vaguely resemble ours, allow me to set your minds at ease.

    Our current policy is to pursue sites that have clearly used our code, graphics, copy, or other copyrighted material without permission to build their site. Although sites like SpoofBook, which are clearly based on the SitePoint design but do not, strictly speaking, reuse any unmodified material from our site, could be successfully pursued legally, we do not at present see the need to dedicate time and effort to chasing them down.

    Generally our reaction to such sites is to just sadly shake our heads and say "get a clue... no, you can't borrow it from us."
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    Speaking from my entirely personal point of view, Spoofbook doesn't concern me too much. The designer tends to interpret our design elements through a cartoony tongue-in-cheek style. In short, I think the guy *creates significant new stuff* . How well it works is a matter for separate debate.

    By comparison, NYCasians was plain lazy design. (It has been changed since we were first pointed to it) Those guys put more work into 'Find and Replace' than they did web design. Obviously the logos and web icons *had* the be changed. The only other major change was the substitution of rounded corners for straight. It wasn't philosophical approach to the design problems at hand. It was the design equivalent of a 1-1 find and replace. 'Find a round corner, put a straight one in'.

    The question they were asking themselves wasn't 'How can I best layout my site and it's content so my users can find what they want easily?', but rather 'What's the best way to get away with this rip-off?'

    Result : 10 hours work for what, at first glance, looked like '90 hour investment'. Lazy.

    Since then, thankfully, they've changed the design considerably and are left with a look and feel more in line with their in-house design skill level (that wasn't supposed to sound catty ).

    In the end, you've got to make your own design mistakes and learn from them. That's how good designers get good.
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    This is one my friend made for a company while he was in australia. Campare it with Eudora. See it?

    I never complained... he is my friend! All I complain about is that he thinks he is so much better than me! Ha Ha Ha!

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    Yes. That is certainly taking more than a little liberty with the eudora design. Still, I doubt I'd dob in a friend myself.

    Still, I'm assuming he got paid for the site and I wouldn't be very happy if i was the guy that had authorised the payment for the site. It's like buying a new suit, getting it home and finding someone else's name embroidered behind the collar.

    It might well be a nice suit, but I paid for a new suit!

    I *want* a new suit!!

    Funny thing is, these things can often come back to haunt you later when you're actually doing the right thing. You can sweat blood getting a design perfect, but if your reputation has been questioned before people are whispering 'I wonder where he ripped that off from' rather than 'Wow.. that is sooo cool..'

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