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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    Alex blogged it if thats what you mean?

    This certainly gives them a vast monopoly in terms of online presentation formats - it'll be interesting I guess to see where they take it - hopefully not some kind of flash pdf hybrid though
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    When I think about it, it's not too bad a business move on adobe's part... although I guess 3.4b did raise my eyebrows. I guess they really really wanted in on the webdesign side of things, and figured the easiest way was to buy the competition leader. Hopefully they can keep the Macromedia name / product line reasonably separate (haven't read that PDF yet though).

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    I guess it's time to get the latest Macromedia while you can. I've always found fireworks more intuitive for me to work with than Photoshop unless I'm messing with images. ( For logo creation and such ) so I'm a bit bummed.

    My largest headache is that as a system admin I've had some bad experiences with how Adobe products install ( Assume users have admin permissions) so some things, like the full acrobat, I can't install on my servers.

    I wonder if this is considered a competitive thing though, I mean who else is there for these types of programs? What's the next alternative to Photoshop or Illustrator now?
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    This is very bad... very bad....

    When you eliminate competition in an industry it creates monoply..

    When there is monoply the firm restricts output and raises prices. There is also less incentive to innovate.

    Bad news. From a consumer standpoint you always want more competition in a market you are buying products from because it lowers the price and increases the quality of products.

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    I don't really view this as a larger company buying a smaller competitor. Adobe and Macromedia hasn't really competed on that many areas. GoLive vs. Dreamweaver and Photoshop vs. Fireworks, maybe, but I wouldn't really call those competing. Dreamweaver is so superiour to Golive, and Photoshop is so overwhelmingly better than Fireworks.

    The only negative thing I see with this is that both companies use retarded versioning schemes. Hello, Photoshop CS-MX 2006 and Macromedia Flash CS 2 MX 2007.
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    Whoa! I just read this on a news site and came here right away. This is huge considering that these are the two many software houses must designers use for producing sites.

    On a good note we can expect better intergration between the products, but I wonder now how it is all going to be marketed. Adobe Dreamweaver? Then I wonder what will happen to products that clash, are they going to streamline them into single applications? I.e get rid of Golive (I won't mind this, as long as they take the awesome looking CSS support from GoLive CS 2 and add it to dreamweaver)

    But what about Freehand and Illustrator? If Macromedia does take on the Adobe name then the product lines will become confusing when you have Adobe Fireworks, Adobe Photoshop, and Adobe Photoshop elements, yet if Fireworks was killed, some loyal users would be pissed.

    Also what impact will this have on a future release from Macromedia, surely one was due in the next few months or towards the end of the year.

    I'm guessing LiveMotion will be dropped for sure?

    What about all the bundles they each offer. Is creative suite 3 going to see a package of Flash, Dreamweaver and photoshop in a bundle with an updated bridge application to manage interactions between them? Could be intreasting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by M. Johansson
    I don't really view this as a larger company buying a smaller competitor. Adobe and Macromedia hasn't really competed on that many areas. GoLive vs. Dreamweaver and Photoshop vs. Fireworks, maybe, but I wouldn't really call those competing. Dreamweaver is so superiour to Golive, and Photoshop is so overwhelmingly better than Fireworks.
    And Fireworks is slightly different than Photoshop (it's more vector), so it has its place... and I've barely heard of GoLive, so yeah, no competitoin there.

    Quote Originally Posted by M. Johansson
    The only negative thing I see with this is that both companies use retarded versioning schemes. Hello, Photoshop CS-MX 2006 and Macromedia Flash CS 2 MX 2007.
    Hahaha.


    It should be interesting to see how this plays out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    it'll be interesting I guess to see where they take it - hopefully not some kind of flash pdf hybrid though
    from adobe faqs
    Do you expect to integrate the FlashPlayer and the Adobe Reader?
    The complementary functionality of FlashPlayer and Adobe Reader will enable the deployment of a more robust cross-media, rich-client technology platform. The combined company will continue to be committed to the needs of both the FlashPlayer and Adobe Reader users.
    you could have long flash intros for your pdf

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    I sure hope they don't drop the dreamweaver task force! And if so, they at least replace it with a "dream live task force" or something like that...

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    Hmm interesting. Wish I new about it yesterday would have bought some shares
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    I am eager to see what comes of this merger.

    I've loved Macromedia's Web Design tools such as Dreamweaver, Flash and Coldfusion, and I've loved Adobe's Graphics tools, such as Photoshop and Illustrator.

    Adobe's interfaces are fantastic, and hopefully we'll see those in later versions of programs. Whether they'll be MX products or CS products, that's for anyone to guess. As long as now that both companys don't really have "rivals" anymore, they won't jack the prices of their programs.

    Adobe has always had much more expensive programs, as great as they are. And I hope they value their community enough to keep prices reasonable. This may be the demise of GoLive in favor of Dreamweaver, Illustrator in favor of Freehand, Photoshop in favor of Fireworks, and Flash will like always, be king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbase
    Hmm...I hope this doesn't effect things like dreamweaver in a bad way. I feel like dreamweaver has always been better than golive.

    This will be interesting in the future..
    nah...Adobe make Pagemaker which is on par/or better than QuarkXpress. And they do a very good job of that.
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    there has been a lot of talk already about this on many financial boards... a number of people were expecting this to happen at some point.

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    It appears that the company will be called Adobe so we can expect to see Adobe dreamweaver and Adobe Flash and a combined package and I guess Dreamweaver and Flash will take CS branding or maybe a new type of branding.

    We will must likely see this in the next updates to the products after that which come this year. There FAQ makes mention of a Macromedia MX release later this year (as expected) and that this will not effect that. So it's most likely going to be around 18 months or so before we actually see more of a all in one adobe branded product.
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    I'm not sure what to make of this whole thing. I'm pretty sure there's going to be some consolidation (bye bye Homesite, Freehand and JRun I bet), but I hope that genuinely better products come out of the whole merger. I'm still on Photoshop 7, so what comes out of this merger is definitely going to affect whether I upgrade any of my software or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carro
    This is very bad... very bad....

    When you eliminate competition in an industry it creates monoply..

    When there is monoply the firm restricts output and raises prices. There is also less incentive to innovate.

    Bad news. From a consumer standpoint you always want more competition in a market you are buying products from because it lowers the price and increases the quality of products.
    I have to agree with this. I was originally a GoLive user before Adobe bought it. At the time, it was pretty neck-in-neck with DreamWeaver among web designers. Once Adobe got a hold of it, they realeased a bug-laden version that wouldn't run on my machine for 5 minutes without crashing. I was so frustrated that I jumped ship to DW and never went back. I'm glad at the time I had the option.

    I've heard Adobe lovingly referred to as "the other Microsoft." While I don't think they're a bad company (they're certainly more responsive to customer dissatisfaction than say, Quark has been), I think that the competition between the two has kept Adobe on their toes. And Macromedia certainly has had to strive to produce the best products. Adobe is a pretty forward-thinking company, so I'm sure they'll continue to innovate. However, there's a big difference when that motivation comes from the inside than externally. (Sure, America would have eventually landed on the moon, but would they have done it so quickly with the Soviet Union right on their tails?) Overall, I'm not really very pleased with this development.

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    Adobe Flash...wow that sounds weird... I wonder if they're still gonna use the name of Macromedia's products or just replace them with their Adobe counterparts. This is a huge move.
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    I'm not so sure this is such good news. One of the great things about competition is that it creates new technology and tools. Without this competition, I hope things don't get 'stale'. Although an avid Photoshop and Illustrator supporter, I am concerned about what will happen with Dreamweaver.
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    Unless you are a stock investor, there is no reason to care about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarky
    But what about Freehand and Illustrator? If Macromedia does take on the Adobe name then the product lines will become confusing when you have Adobe Fireworks, Adobe Photoshop, and Adobe Photoshop elements, yet if Fireworks was killed, some loyal users would be pissed.
    I'm thinking Adobe will keep the current names (aside from Flash), but add the features of Macromedia's products.

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    To note on competition: M$ only really started working on a new browser, since they got some competition from Mozilla(Firefox)

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    Macromedia and Adobe

    Dude,

    This is the biggest shock of my life...I guess ADOBE & Macromedia no way....

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    It seems that adobe.com is down for some reason I can't wait to read the announcement.

    Really out of the blue news!

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    Quote Originally Posted by momos
    To note on competition: M$ only really started working on a new browser, since they got some competition from Mozilla(Firefox)
    That's exactly my point. If the main competition is gone, what continually drives the motivation of innovation? This is not saying that Adobe isn't innovative... heck look at their products! However, it is a lot easier to become stagnant when someone's not at your back door trying to break in.
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