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    ...and if you want to see who was 'wearing the daddy pants' just over 100 years ago, check this out...

    http://www.btinternet.com/~britishem...nkbits1897.htm

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    Ah.

    I'm sincerely starting to think that we all will eventually end up in the http://www.darwinawards.com/

    Good day

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    ..with thermo-nuclear weapons proabably...


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    Naah, it's just words at the end of the day. OK, maybe a bit heavy ;-) at times but still just words.
    As far as being a big country, England was running the world while you guys were still fighting amongst yourselves and catching runaway slaves.
    Now, I've got to catch a plane to Tulsa, anyone who calls me a communist will have to explain why to my face, since they sent my father, aunt grandma, grandad and great-grandma to Siberia.
    Peace to everyone really, I'm enjoying the responses, dish it back as Hellbent says.

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    Better wear a bullet proof vest - Heavy packs an AK!

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    Polymath, enjoy your trip to the USA! Don't forget to pack your automatic weapon - you don't want to stick out as a foreigner

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    Heh, heh - I like ammo. AND - I don't think a discussion is good without some drama.

    What parts were ridiculous AND on top of that, can you tell me why?
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    That's more like it....

    Firstly, I'm not a "US hater". That's a terrible generalisation and most certainly does not apply to me. I am not a fan of the current US political climate, but as ever, the public can be fickle so I would never tar the alleged majority with a brush which is probably better aimed at the media.

    Originally posted by heavy
    Also- Shut the Hell up about Kyoto. Everyone of your leaders who crticize us for not signing it are HYPOCRITES because they have not signed it themselves.
    No - er, I believe a representative of your country did make promises on this matter - and another renaged on them. I believe "recent evidence" is prompting the puppet to make a u-turn on this issue anyway, but don't worry, your unbiased media will help you explain to me why this is perfectly normal behaviour

    Also - Shut the Hell up about us polluting. We clean up more of our own messes than every other country in the world combined. We emit less pollution per capita than anyone. We adhere more closely to the international standards than *ANY* other country.
    Did you simply make this up, or were you fed it from somewhere. The US has just about the worst environmental record on the planet - I have posted references to justify this statement on other threads - find them if you wish

    Also - Shut the Hell up when you say that the US isn't supporting the world. We send TRILLIONS each year to OTHER nations. We send money to hundreds of nations each year. If it weren't for us, there would be many, many more governments collapsing into chaos.
    This one falls well within the ridiculous category. Your national debt is gynormous - the "foreign aid" is frequently nothing more than the equivelent of a political tax break. Money won't help anyone when the planet is dying because of the arrogance of a greedy money obsessed few. Further - you cannot possibly predict what would happen to aided countries without the cash - in fact with the corrupt systems of government extant in many third world countries, the cash merely shifts power balances and makes matters worse - keeping them third world, keeping their labour cheap, keeping the good 'ole US nice and plump.

    [b[If it weren't for us the UN would be broke. We give more to the UN in manpower, equipment and cash than the other member nations combined. Yet, they berate us and try to tell us how to live.[/b]
    They? They? - you are allegedly part of the "they". Who the hell do you think "you" are trying to dictate to the rest of the world where you should sit in a voted house - throwing money around or threatening to withdraw it (or indeed failing to pay your debts - surprise) is a fantastic demonstration of how completely out of whack the US potilical attitude is. It is evidenced again by the silly "you scratch my back I'll rub yours" games being played by Bush. The breaks given to his "sponsors" are quite frankly evil. Surely an elected leader has a responsibily to those who voted for him and who he "represents" and "serves". Letting holders of purse strings take priority over the majority is what the US ideology seems to be about at the mo - and quite frankly people will simply shrug and turn away.

    Also - when criticizing our "weapon systems" you can just shut the Hell up. We have a lot of enemies. These same enemies are countries that we are trying to bribe to keep them our friends. It eventually has to stop. We have a right to defend ourselves as a nation.
    Now I know you're joking

    Yeah, there is a reason we are the most powerful nation in the world. The way our country is set up has guaranteed our prosperity. It is because of socialist/communist morons in our government that our country is starting to fall apart.


    Most powerful how? I believe that "Communist" China currenty knocks you flat as far as military might goes - and economically, you're new money whippersnappers guys - don't spend all yer pocket money at once - it soon runs out

    Because of influence from outside the country (read - people not minding their own business) we are having internal troubles.
    What on Earth are you talking about?

    Why is it that people always pick on the US? We are so quick to bash the US. Why not focus the same attention on the REAL corruption that goes on in other places.
    I have an idea about this - but honestly don't know. As I think everyone here will agree - corruption exists at different levels in all countries. The difference with the US is that on the political stage and at "Bar talk" level the rhetoric espoused always appears "holier than thou" and rather than accepting responsiblity for its **** ups, a typical American response is (percived to be) - "well, look at them". Even in the playground that sort of attitudes gonna get ya tongue lashed

    [quoteWHAT ABOUT THE US BEING KICKED OFF THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION IN THE UN? Yeah, you think it's real great that we were replaced by Sudan - a place that has widespread unchecked FORCED SLAVERY.[/quote]

    Coming from a resident of the only country on the planet where the execution of metally retarded prisoners is allowed (even that horrible China doesn't permit such barbarity).........

    All you US haters know where you can stick it. And if you want more, you can come to Tulsa, OK and get it. Just let me know.
    As I said before, I'm not a US hater, but if I ever stop by Tulsa, I'll be sure to drop by and say hello.

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    Additionally, heavy, don't assume that because some people (including myself) think that the President of the USA is a dipstick that means they hate America or Americans. That would be like saying that because Iraq is governed by a ruthless dictator I hate Iraqis (sp?) or because China is a communist country I hate all Chinese people. For the record, the Australian Prime Minister is a complete drongo (but looks good next to Bush ) but I don't hate myself (or do I?).

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    Originally posted by freakysid
    the Australian Prime Minister is a complete drongo
    A short drongo with fake eyebrows.


    But he's the prime minister of a very good country. Just like the way George W. Bush is the short, dim-witted president of a great country.
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    "Little Johny". Did you know:

    1) He has his eyebrows plucked (to enhance his aesthetic image). Nothing short of a cranial reconstruction would help.

    2) I have met him twice. The first time in 1987 he actually told me (and the people I was with) that he was taller than Bob Hawke. I thought to myself "Yeah - all right mate - what ever you say". Weird.

    3) That the rest of the world pays no attention to the travels of our PM saves the nation from eternal international embarrasment. Someone has got to stop him from taking powerwalks when he travels. For goodness sake, if you can't even build up to a light jog John - just forget it

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    Our Prime Minister is a great Actor.

    Great at acting like he gives a sh1t!

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    Wooohoo - let's get into some generic leader bashing....

    Shame Hague didn't get in (not) - and that Widdecombe hasn't got the bottle - it'd make taking the pish even easier in the UK.
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    I wasn't saying the opposition was any better...

    Voting in Hague may have been the equivalent of voting in Bush though...

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    No, No - you misunderstand - that was a whoop of excitement!

    I think 40% of any leaders job is to get bashed alot -------|
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    Pardon me - I thought it was sarcasm...

    Like the smilies!

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    Originally posted by TheOriginalH Most powerful how? I believe that "Communist" China currenty knocks you flat as far as military might goes - and economically, you're new money whippersnappers guys - don't spend all yer pocket money at once - it soon runs out
    While China obviously has a much greater land force in terms of manpower, our technology is far in advance of what they have. I was listening to NPR when the whole China/US plane incident happened and they were saying that China wanted to keep that plane very badly as it represented a leapfrog to their current radar and encryption systems.
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    Yeah - I guess with all your gun-tooting nuts you would probably match their land army as well!

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    I know that the US has superior weaponary technically - I'm not disputing it or knocking the states - just pointing out that you don't always possess the biggest er....thingy

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    One observation I will make is that the USA and Australian society seem to be opposites:

    In the USA only half the people vote and only half of them vote for the guy who ends up President. So someone that the majority of the people didn't vote for ends up President. But every American will stand up for there good 'ol President even though he was not elected by majority - they even view him as the Chief Commander of the armed forces.

    In Australia every one votes in the federal election - its mandatory by law. The Prime Minister is the leader of the party with the majority of seats. Because voting is compolsory - there can be no doubt that he has a mandate to govern. Yet, once the government has been elected everyone hates it! No one likes the Prime Minister and no one ever admits that they voted for him

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    Oh but did they vote for Johnny? Or did they vote for his little scheme *cough* GST *cough*? The thing about nobody ever admitting that they voted for him is particular to this term of government, wouldn't you say?
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    I take it gst is er - general sales tax?

    Vote for der munny & ya get der dummy

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    Originally posted by TheOriginalH
    They? They? - you are allegedly part of the "they". Who the hell do you think "you" are trying to dictate to the rest of the world where you should sit in a voted house - throwing money around or threatening to withdraw it (or indeed failing to pay your debts - surprise) is a fantastic demonstration of how completely out of whack the US potilical attitude is.
    It is now obvious to me you have a very small grasp on what is actually occuring with the US and the Human Rights Commision. I refer you to following url to help get you up to date.

    http://www.sitepointforums.com/showt...5&pagenumber=8

    The US being kicked off the Human Rights Commision is nothing more than posturing by the Euro-peon's.
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    I'm afraid I disagree.

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    I'm an American, and very happy to be one. I wouldn't defend Bush, except to say that he's as much a symptom of national stupidity as an example of it. Maybe more so. After all he's president, even though he lost the popular vote to another candidate. That's quite different than being elected with a plurality. It's consitutionally possible, but it doesn't happen often.

    The only other thing I want to comment on is this:

    "Richard Nixon was the last great American leader. He pulled us out of Vietnam and Enacted the EPA. He was a great man."

    Say what? He was elected in 1968 with a "secret plan to end the war" and it turned out his secret plan involved fighting in it for several more years. That's not ending a war. He did do some good things, but getting us out of Vietnam is not something history should credit him with. It's more like he happened to be president when there wasn't anyone left with a will keep sending our boys over there, or with any hope for a favorable resolution to the conflict there.


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