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    VICTORY IS MINE! luchazard's Avatar
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    Open the champaign, no more Netscape!!

    Hey Everyone! Netscape is ending!!

    Take a look at this I'm so excited! It should be a bit easier for us webmasters now coding our pages huh

    Anyway It's time to paaaarty!

    Sorry if this is old news (which it probably is) I just wanted to post it...
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    i don't know about popping the champagne just yet... this news may be a relief for coders and designers but without viable competition, how motivated will microsoft be in implementing new technologies in ie? competition is the key to technological development.

    i see ie's new features coming to a stand-still within a couple years. at that point in time, ie will own 90+% of the market, so they won't have a reason to develop anything new and if they do, it'll take forever (kinda like what's happening with their os).

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    think about this.. what would happen if IE were to become the Only web browser.. (yes i know there are others such as Opera, but they arent too big yet)...

    if IE were the only web browser, then IE would have total control over how we see web pages. If they have total over how we see web pages, then they can gain total control over how me create webpages. It would be possible for them to put something in the browser that would make it so only webpages created with a certain program could be shown through there web browser, and since they have the only web browser, Every web designer would have to use this product to design there web pages. do you really want that? cause thats what happens if we only get one web browser.
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    IE will never be the "only" browser.

    Why? It ain't available for Linux and similar operating system's.

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    VICTORY IS MINE! luchazard's Avatar
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    Trust me that is not going to happen let me explain. There will be IE, Opera, and AOL. AOL and Opera act like IE so us web designers only have to code in one way since all three are alike. AOL and Opera won't let IE do as you saystop improving... if at anytime they do they can make their move, IE will keep improving and AOL and Opera will always be there waiting for IE to slip... thus IE won't.

    The best part as I mentioned above is the fact that if you make a page and it looks fine in IE it will usually look fine in AOL and Opera.

    The best part is now we can use CSS!!! I don't think this is a bad thing at all the netscape is ending their browser but a good thing.

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    Hasten the day that IE is the only model for browsers!!

    I could care less if other companies build on IE's model as long as the core functionality remains unchanged.

    All cars have a steering wheel, doors, tires, engine, transmission and gearbox. They all use gas, brake fluid and wiper fluid. Are all cars the same? Nope.

    I hope that we can make browsers the same way. Let them all be based on the same principles and they can look any way the companies making them want to. What coding nirvana if all browsers understood the same langauges and interpreted them in the exact same way.

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    VICTORY IS MINE! luchazard's Avatar
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    the light at the end of the tunnel is definately in site

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    stupid question #1244: what's komodo anyway?

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    keep your pants on

    Wow, that could mean a whole bunch, but the article never states that Netscape the browser might be ending.

    It imples that the browser will continue within the PS2. Also the Komodo technology statement also implies that Netscape will continue, within AOL and Compuserve. And again it states that Netscape will evolve into a hybird software akin to MSN IE. And again the article talks about the targeting of "sophisticated Web users".

    Actually I'm pretty convinced that we will see another version of Netscape that will be way different from the Old Netscapes.

    What this means?

    Maybe there will be a little more standards in the new version of Netscape?

    Maybe they will incorporate IE technology into netscape like AOL, Opera, and Napster.

    But this is definately not the event that we all hoped for. This will change webdesign, but we won't' know how until we can play with the BETA of Netscape 7.


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    Another usefull article.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl....DTL&type=tech

    pay attention under the
    "NO BROWSER DEVELOPMENT" heading.


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    stupid question #1244: what's komodo anyway?
    Not sure, this context. But I always thought it was ActiveState's Mozilla-based coding IDE...
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    will code HTML for food Michel V's Avatar
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    Winged Spider, you sound like you say IE is something good that even Opera is using: Opera have their own technology, and IE isn't the perfection.
    About "more standards", Mozilla's supported standards outnumber IE's by far...
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    What I was trying to point out is that maybe all browsers will behave like IE. Better than all browsers behaving like they want to. :-) IE isn't perfection. A set of exact standards is.

    I know Opera is different from IE in lots of ways. It would be better if they weren't.

    I haven't checked out Mozilla yet, but I will have to do that.


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    Re: keep your pants on

    Originally posted by Winged Spider
    Maybe there will be a little more standards in the new version of Netscape?
    Netscape is a lot more standards compliant than IE. Unfortunatlely that is what many developers dislike. I am glad it is standards compliant...it ensures that there will be a boundary between professional and unprofessional design...anyone can whip up a non-standards page easily.

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    Originally posted by Winged Spider
    What I was trying to point out is that maybe all browsers will behave like IE.
    I guess that would be nice for a lot of developers, but then again that is making IE sort of a standard. That is one thing we definately don't want to do.

    It would be so much better if Microsoft never made IE so forgiving...there would be more competition, cleaner code across the Internet, and people wouldn't complain that Netscape sucks.

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    Re: Open the champaign, no more Netscape!!

    Originally posted by luchazard
    Hey Everyone! Netscape is ending!!
    If that's true, welcome to Microsoft's Internet.

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    I actually think it is way better if Microsoft controls the net just from a web-design standpoint... I can see how some people view this as a bad thing though.

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    will code HTML for food Michel V's Avatar
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    Well, from a Windows-centric point it might be better, but then again there are all these people (these 'less than 2 percents', at least 2 or 3 millions users) running other OS, and OHMYGODHOWCANTHISBE, they're more likely to run something other than IE.

    Also, from a lazy webdesigner's viewpoint, yes it's better if MS owns the web. From a professional viewpoint, things aren't that clear.
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    Ok granted it would be good if all users were using browsers that acted the same but lets be realistic, its not going to happen!!!
    1) Most users couldnt be shagged upgrading so they will just stick with NS6 or whatever they currently use.
    2) Something else will be along to annoy us

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    If only it were true...

    Take for example my Girlfriends family computer that is still running Netscape 3 on a 640x480 resolution.

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    Exactly my point z7, not in a million years (slight exageration) is your gf going to upgrade her computer just because NS has stopped updating their browsers!
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    ...well not unless I get anywhere near it!

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    End result...

    We're the only ones who care..design for companies is about market share & reaching x amount of visitors..

    People with Netscape 3.0 on their old computers are not likely to be in most marketing depts. crosshairs..

    Doen't mean they are any less important..
    It's just that you can't design for 100% of the people without it costing you somehow.

    You know the saying..20% of your customer make 80% of your money.

    The whole CRM thing..


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