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    There's an idea - perhaps contest holders should say what people are allowed to post in their contest, "I'm in(s)", "nice design(s)", "your a copycat(s)", that's a "mod-template(s)", "congrats", etc etc

    Then, people can enter and decide if they want their freedom of speech capped and obey the contest holders wishes , and contest holders can govern what gabble goes on in their gontests.. everyone wins

    ... exept you pat - because this isn't a contest :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by someonewhois
    (...) The bumping idea is from the "Sell your Template" forum. People always post "Nice template" which inadvertantly bumps the thread up for someone else to see.
    So what about all these "No offers?" "Anyone?" "Still nothing?"...?
    They are even more irritating, as they're posted by the thread creator. Aren't they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by varelse
    So what about all these "No offers?" "Anyone?" "Still nothing?"...?
    They are even more irritating, as they're posted by the thread creator. Aren't they?
    Yeah those absolutely suck. Still, there's a lot of "Nice template" from other people.

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    I think contests that are still alive should be bumped - it's amazing how fast one can end up on 'no-one's-home' page 2

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    I am all for free speech, but when a group of people can swoop down on a contest thread and state that someone's design is the ultimate and lead to the contest holder choosing a particular design based on chatter rather than design. Maybe design should be king here in the contest forum, and not chatter.

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    So what about all these "No offers?" "Anyone?" "Still nothing?"...?
    They are even more irritating, as they're posted by the thread creator. Aren't they?
    I've only seen that a couple of times. Not 15 or 25 times a thread like the "I am in." things. And I've been around for a while. But then I am only commenting on the "Contest" forum, not the other forums here at Sitepoint. Many of us here hardly ever leave the contest forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phacker
    I've only seen that a couple of times. Not 15 or 25 times a thread like the "I am in." things. And I've been around for a while. But then I am only commenting on the "Contest" forum, not the other forums here at Sitepoint. Many of us here hardly ever leave the contest forum.
    All these comments remind me all the "autobidders" from freelance boards...
    I've been around for not so long HERE and I've already noticed a few self-thread-bumpers in "Sell ..." sub-section.
    But OK for that if You want to concentrate on contest. I also don't like spamming the board
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    Quote Originally Posted by phacker
    I've only seen that a couple of times. Not 15 or 25 times a thread like the "I am in." things. And I've been around for a while. But then I am only commenting on the "Contest" forum, not the other forums here at Sitepoint. Many of us here hardly ever leave the contest forum.

    the contest forums kinda 'got you' then perhaps ?

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    AinslieX11 I don't know what your agenda is, I haven't seen you on the contest forum before. I know that my thread on dead contests, which wasn't a contest got three people paid for their designs so maybe there is a place for some discussion here.

    Pat

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    Quote Originally Posted by phacker
    AinslieX11 I don't know what your agenda is, I haven't seen you on the contest forum before. I know that my thread on dead contests, which wasn't a contest got three people paid for their designs so maybe there is a place for some discussion here.

    Pat
    It is good that your thread on dead contests resulted in a positive outcome for three contestants.

    Having said that, all free speech is good in my opinion and it should be left to the contest holders to decide if they want to censure what people say in their contests.

    I advocate freedom of speech, as I'm sure you do also.

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    This whole "wrong forum" argument is a ridiculous(sp?) one. If he were to post it in any other forum, it would not be viewed by the right audiences, he wants contest holders and designers to see it, so quite rightly he has posted it where contest holders, like myself, and designers, like the majority of the other repliers here, POST!

    I know that I myself wouldnt have seen it in the other forums because I only view this forum unless there is something specific I need, like recently a problem with my vBulletin forums.

    Stop taking jabs at phacker, he made a sensible suggestion now stop the petty arguments.

    Here's my stance on things:

    - Not sure about "I'm in"s
    - No random comments from outsiders about designs
    - Only comments from outsiders AFTER winner has been chosen
    - Bumping allowed (I know that it sucks when your contest gets swamped under and by the time its on 2nd page no one will see it, and even at times if it's below fold it doesn't get views... so bumping is big yes imo!)
    - Congratulations, big yes!

    I think that was all issues brought up.

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    Yeah, but the SP mods will move it. We've had this argument before: It gets the attention it needs in the contest forum, but it belongs in the other one. Bit of a paradox.

    As for bumps -- I don't think they're neccessary. If a designer wants to enter the contest, they'll find the thread. If not, it'll die. Bumps are annoying in all forums (support forums, sell your site/domain), it goes the same for contests (and last I knew, SP didn't allow bumping, yet people still do it).

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    As a designer I'd like other designers to adhere to some etiquette, but there are so many new people here recently, that things have become very funky. I was just trying to state some very basic guidelines, that as a designer I would like to see followed. But then I am only a designer, not a moderator. I am hoping the moderators will see this and maybe add something to the guidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phacker
    As a designer I'd like other designers to adhere to some etiquette, but there are so many new people here recently, that things have become very funky. I was just trying to state some very basic guidelines, that as a designer I would like to see followed.
    Annoying people are eliminating themselves - contest holder will simply ignore them in the end...
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    As for bumps -- I don't think they're neccessary. If a designer wants to enter the contest, they'll find the thread.
    I really couldn't disagree with that statement any stronger. Tell me phacker (or any other designer for that point), when did you last think .. hmm I be interested in doing a logo for a gambling (example) website today .. I think I will do a forum search ..

    No, you don't do you? You frequent the contest forum and look about within the threads (on the first page I bet you!) for ones that take your fancy.

    Am I right? If I'm not I would be genuinely shocked.

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    I don't mind it. I think its a good idea to let the contest holder know if you'll enter, because sometimes they might end the contest early and people miss their chance. Not everyone has all the time in the world to make a logo immediately and post it, they need to find the time to do so. So I think its fine to have those "I'll post something soon" posts just to warn the contest holder.

    Also:
    I would also like to suggest that if you want to comment on a particular design and you aren't the contest holder, please email or pm the designer. Don't do it in the open forum.
    That seems kind of rude to me. If you have something to say about someone's design, then tell it to their face. Its kind of like you would personally bash or support a certain logo over someone else's and that might affect the outcome of the contest.
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    "I'm in" is ok, if you're really in. It may be annoying sometimes, but it is also honest and useful at other times, so IMO it should be allowed.

    I completely agree that all comments on designs (except by CH of course) are in appropriate and unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG.MichaelC
    Tell me phacker (or any other designer for that point), when did you last think .. hmm I be interested in doing a logo for a gambling (example) website today .. I think I will do a forum search ..

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    "I am in" - I did that like a promise.
    "Comment other people work" - I do that, sometime, when I realy, realy like some design. I didn't take this as way to discard other contestants, because I am one of those contestants too. Just as compliment.
    "Spam to increase number of post" - Is big number of posts succes?
    "Bump" - can be useful.

    "This head too much talk?" - Yes. Over.

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    I didn't enter the GamesJungle contest because of the chitchat that went on. I am sure no harm was meant, but to the contest holder all comments come into play. I never comment on another designers work within a contest thread. If I like their work I will pm them and tell them that and discuss things with them. That's the professional objective thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG.MichaelC
    I really couldn't disagree with that statement any stronger. Tell me phacker (or any other designer for that point), when did you last think .. hmm I be interested in doing a logo for a gambling (example) website today .. I think I will do a forum search ..

    No, you don't do you? You frequent the contest forum and look about within the threads (on the first page I bet you!) for ones that take your fancy.

    Am I right? If I'm not I would be genuinely shocked.
    If you "frequent" the forums, I would take it to mean that you see basically every thread that comes through for a contest. The first page is generally made up of 2 or 3 days of posts, so, if you were in fact a "frequent" visitor, you'd know what's coming through. Taking that into consideration, if you said to yourself, "I feel like making a casino logo!" all you would have to do is go down to the thread and click. You'd know it existed because you've already seen it, so what's the necessary point of posting in it (especially if you don't know what day you'll say, "I'm in the mood to make a casino logo").

    This isn't really a huge point, but since you're coming down so hard on Phacker, I just wanted to ruin your momentum a bit.

    The only thing here that I'd prefer to see changed (and this has been said and agreed to 2 or 3 times in the past but never really put into effect) is to change public posting of "my favorite logo would be" or "nice job" or "this one sucks" to have it done through PM. There's no reason to hold back on congratulations after things are settled, but to have 3 or 4 people say "bad" or "good" on designs in a thread can sway contest holders. If they specifically say "I need help because I have no opinion and don't have any friends" then I can understand you posting your opinion in public, but other than that, there's no reason you can't PM the comment to the designer instead (and I've made a few friends here that way, so I can attest to it also being more personal )

    That's all from me for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phacker
    ....It's also frustrating to receive a lot of notifications to the effect: "I am in."......

    Pat
    I am Very new to this forum and i did realise the weird pattern.

    "im in"

    It would be more appropriate to include the sample designs too.

    "im in"
    "sample.gif"

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    Maybe its just me but I don't mind the I'm in or the comments on designs. I get really annoyed at the very very large canvas when posting an entry. especially when thier is a ton of white space and I have to scroll forever to get to the next post. Also I get very annoyed at the contest holders who post feedback like "not feeling it" Then they wonder why they don't get a design they like and cancel the contest.

    Ok, that felt good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phacker
    I didn't enter the GamesJungle contest because of the chitchat that went on. I am sure no harm was meant, but to the contest holder all comments come into play. I never comment on another designers work within a contest thread. If I like their work I will pm them and tell them that and discuss things with them. That's the professional objective thing to do.

    Oh, sorry, I misread your first post, I thought you meant to privately PM the Contest Holder about a certain design, which would be kind of wrong. But PMing the actual designer of the logo is a good idea instead of posting it on the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forgot
    If you "frequent" the forums, I would take it to mean that you see basically every thread that comes through for a contest.
    ... My contest before last, I posted it, and it was below the fold in 1 hour ... and on to the next page before the days end (less then 10 hours later)! ...

    Edit - With something like 15 views.


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