Well what do you know: I write a few paragraphs and my computer freezes up...ugh.
Elledan: you are quite mistaken. I understood that phrase of yours. Your point is that children are effected by everything out there. This does not change my point.
Example: A child goes off to college and is confronted with the tempation of sex, alcohol, or drugs -- perhaps all three. If they are raised with self-discipline and logic, and are prepared for such trials, they have a much better shot of making it through such situations without giving in.
H: is it really ridiculous to say the parents of teenager on a murderous rampage messed up? Of course there are exceptions, but they are just that: exceptions, and not the rule.
1 - No one said they would not mess up -- kids WILL mess up, but if they murder many people before they are even 18 years of age, some serious problems exist.Everyone who believes that you can just raise your children 'properly' so that they'll always stay on the 'right' path is not only ignorant but also a complete fool.
There is no reason why someone goes on a shooting spree. It's always a combination of thousand smaller and bigger reasons, which slowly builds up pressure.
2 - Yes, there is a reason why someone goes on a shooting spree: there are many things that contribute, but OBVIOUSLY there are certain things that stand out more than others, that, when removed, could very well prevent the disaster.
If you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, you intend to kill them. Realize frustration? However you want to say it Elledan is fine by me, but as far as I'm concerned they all meant to kill someone -- because they DID.I'm quite certain that nearly every child who goes on a killing spree never meant to kill anyone. They merely had to release frustration they couldn't release in another way.
There's one thing you all seem to be missing: you, I, and probably everyone in this thread, has/is growing up around a lot of the same problems these murders have. We face a lot of the same problems, and have a fair amount of the same flaws I'm sure, but we don't respond by shooting people -- so what else is different? In my opinion, it's partially parenting, and partially your genes...
...who you are is a combination of your genetic makeup, and your upbringing. A talkative person can be made rather quiet if brought up in such a way, I believe -- but being built into them, it cannot be fully repressed.
Some of us have even more things to deal with than, say, those responsible for the recent school shootings, but if you are taught to deal with things logically and shown that rage and pure emotion are not the answer to frustration, you're obviously more likely to make the right decision and NOT plan the deaths of others.
I thought this was common sense? Teach your children how to deal with problems, teach them how horrible violence like that is, and things will improve. Is it possible for a parent to teach those things and still have their child murder people? Yes, it is, but in my opinion, it's rare, and it still implies some failure on the parent's part -- all parents have failue in their child's upbringing hanging over them, but some are worse than others, and, unfortunatly, lead to shooting sprees.