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    Open Source Project Issues

    I recently noticed a glut of sites popping up providing interactive tutorials, mainly in flash for the end user of projects. I thought these were great and wondered about how I could get my hands on such software, being a tight **** and a fan of open source software, my first search took me looking for an open source app that can handle what I wanted. I found a great article on a product called CamStudio which was open source, and created videos in AVI which then got converted to swf. Great I thought, just what I want.

    So after following the link I ended up at Macromedias site, on a page for Robodemo (soon to be called captivate). I found this interesting and so spent far to much time looking for Camstudio. Which I eventually found, even the link from the original site ended up at macromedia. So I downloaded the copy of Camstudio and soon noticed a very clever marketing plan.

    The version of Camstudio i downloaded was 9mb(remember that) and was available on a few sites, like download.com. What i noticed when i opened it and started to play was that it lacked a few of the features I had read about, the main one being the ability to convert to flash. Also the interface was covered in Robodemo advertising. Using the wonderfull tools on the web, I found out that the last version of Camstudio with flash etc was v2.0
    The version I had downloaded was 2.1 so a more recent version and so should have included all the new functionality.

    I eventually found a version of v2.0 and downloaded it, the download was 2mb so a lot smaller than the newer less functional version.

    This really had me interested, so I kept researching and every link had been re-directed to macromedias Robodemo.
    My initial thoughts were that Macromedia had taken this great little product, stopped its production and then released a newer version with less features, notably with flash swf generation missing, but cleverly filled the market with this version which also included a nice banner telling you to get robodemo because it contains flash generation.

    Now as this project was originall open source, it got me wondering (didnt get much work done this day) so I emailed Macromedia and to their credit they replied with the following.

    Dear Mr McCann

    Thank you for contacting Macromedia Customer Services.

    Further to your email regarding Open Source screen capture products I am
    writing to advise that CamStudio was an open source product until Macromedia
    bought it to make RoboDemo. The name of the authoring tool was recently
    changed to Captivate, the latest release of RoboDemo (Captivate is currently
    available for Pre-order). Neither RoboDemo or Captivate are open source
    tools.

    You can download a trial version of RoboDemo from the following URL :
    http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/td...oduct=robodemo
    Now this is interesting, as the product was released under open source. I can understand that they may have used Camstudio to see how it works, and engineered there own version, which probably has no open source software in it. But the fact remains the original still exists, and is still open source.

    If i could programme or get people together who could programme, I would be tempted to release it on sourceforge it does need some work it has to be said. So is there anything stopping me from doing this? I didnt realise an open source product could be purchased and just stopped like that.

    The licencing gets interesting. On the website (web archive is like a christmas present) it says
    Source Code

    CamStudio v2.0s

    The source code for CamStudio v2.0s contains some slight difference from the binary version v2.0. To note, the code for the Record Audio From Speakers feature are absent from this release.

    This incomplete release of code is due to the fact that the authors who contributed these portions are still uncomfortable sharing them with the public. We have, therefore, withhold these portions out of respect for these authors.

    We are negotiating with the authors and we hope to resolve this issue soon.

    Source Code License for v2.0s (GPL / Commercial)

    The source code for CamStudio v2.0s and v1.8s is now under GPL (GNU General Public License). You are required to release your source code if you distribute products that are derived from CamStudio's source.

    If you intend to use the source of CamStudio for commercial purposes, or if you do not wish to release the source code of your modifications, you can purchase a commercial license to use the source without the above restriction.
    So im presumbing that macromedia bought a commercial licence, although i didnt realise you could do that under the GPL?
    The licence shipped with the installer goes like this.
    RenderSoft CamStudio



    Unless otherwise specified, RenderSoft Software and Web Publishing owns all title to this software and its copyright, which are protected by international copyright law.

    This product is FREEWARE and you are free to duplicate and distribute this software through the internet or any preferred media.

    The AVI and SWF files created with CamStudio may be used for any purposes, including commercial purposes. You may sell your recorded AVI/SWF files or charge users for products that include them.



    RenderSoft Software and Web Publishing specifically disclaims ALL warranties, express or implied, including but not limited to implied warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, and non-infingement with respect to this software, its source code and any accompanying written materials.

    IN NO EVENT will RenderSoft Software and Web Publishing be liable to you for damages, including any loss of profits, data, or other incidental or consequential damages arising out of your use or inability to use this software, even if RenderSoft Software and Web Publishing has been specifically advised on the possiblility of such damages.

    By agreeing below, you indicate that you have read and understood the above licensing aggreement, and accept it as legally binding upon you.

    If you choose not to accept any of the terms of this licensing agreement, please click the 'Exit' button now.
    All in all its an interesting case, and I would like your thoughts on this, im not really out to get macromedia, I cant imagine with their lawyers doing anything wrong. However I would be interested in starting the project back up, especially as I have the source code and think it would make a great OS project again.
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    To make a long response short in light of my Open Sourcery review of Open Source Licensing by Lawrence Rosen - open source licenses can be retracted and converted to closed source - but there are implications as to the source code circulated prior to the retraction.

    Rosen addresses this well in the book.
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    Cam Studio was acquired by eHelp a around 2003. Now that Macromedia has acquired eHelp, it's in their hands.

    I am also would like to sponsor such a project, picking it up at version 2.0. Where is the opensouce code?

    Rick

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    Hi Rick,

    The open source code is sitting on my computer. And I have been meaning for a while to get a project set up. The hardest thing is getting a bit of funding together and finding a developer to develop it further. Im not sure what language it is written in yet.

    If your interested in helping, then please PM me with some details and I will tell you what I have planned.
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