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    Sumner 2.0 - Please review

    Hello,

    Back in April, i had you guys look over a site for a current client that i was going to be redesigning (see the current Sumner site or view the original thread ). In any case, the new site is getting finalized and would appreciate your thoughts on it.

    http://www.sumner.com/sumner/

    Thanks.

    Adam

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    wow, was rather surprised to see no posts here, especially after seeing all the responses from the earlier thread about this site. Anyhoo, this will actually be my first time doing one of these review thingies and I hardly consider myself some webdesign guru so take my comments with a grain of salt. I checked out the comments in the original thread as well just to see what users had suggested. So here's what I got to say:

    My Viewing Setup: 56k, Opera 7.54, 1024x768 resolution.

    Load time: Can't really say for sure since I was jumping back and forth between multiple pages in Opera. :P But I did feel like it took a while for all the images of the site to load.

    User Interface: I'm hardly a computer or web n00bie but I was rather surprised that I couldn't click anything in that Flash area you have on the homepage. The way it was designed with that conveyor belt concept it just seemed like it was an area I could click if I wanted to jump to a specific product section. But maybe that's just me. =/

    Also, when I mouse-over the logo I get this light blue rectangular bar at the bottom of the logo. Since I didn't bother looking at the site in another browser I can't tell you if that happens in other browsers.

    About Us page has some typos in the title section. The homepage doesn't even have a title.

    In the original thread there was a suggestion about making a Contact Us page, which you did, but I believe you also wanted to prevent email harvesting, right? It looks like you decided to put emails in the footer anyway. Is that something you plan on keeping? And I'm not sure, but did you mean to have the sales email addy in the footer for the Forums page? I can understand why you did it for the Store page, just wasn't sure about Forums.

    Other than that, I generally liked the overall look of the site.

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    Hi,

    Looks very nice.
    Two things i would change.
    #1 The picture of the welder keeps flashing and too my eyes this hurts. I think it would be better if it stopped after 5 secounds or better yet, never flashed at all.
    #2 Theres a large amount of white space at the bottom. Get rid of it. It's not really doing much and doesn't give off the nice clean and tidy impression that the rest of the top part of the site does.

    Apart from this, i think it's a really good design. very impressive!

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    I like it in general, but some things that turned me off:
    - Super bright colors
    - "fake" metal look in header
    - Pinstriped (so mac 10.1)

    Work on those and it'll look great.

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    Thumbs up

    hey,

    site looks good, only have a couple of comments ....

    Viewing Setup: 56k, IE 6, 1024x768 resolution.

    1. images could be optimized
    2. you might want to look at unused code

    When it comes to the product list section, i might have done it slightly different. I might have gone with the pic + description method so the user can be more aware of whats in the section.... just a thoought

    really nice use of css


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    Very nice, I can`t see see any problems at all, well done.

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    The site looks great.... I really like the menu at the top left.... I'll have to take a look and see how you got the text menu items to line up perfectly inside the background or graphics between browsers....

    what is inside the Site Admin link at the bottom? If that's for administration only, I would leave it out.... and make sure the admin's know where to go..... It's almost an invitation for hackers....

    some of the product pages in the store seem very sparse, lot's of white space.... maybe some kind of css table there like you have on some of the other pages....

    the product pages could use some SEO work if your trying to get these pages listed well in the search engines..... filenames like main.22.7.8.22.0.0.html could be much more descriptive....

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    Thanks for all your comments so far, I'm currently going over the site with the client and I'll be incorporating a lot of your suggestions. If you have anymore ideas, keep them coming. Here's what I have gleaned so far from you:

    - images take a while to load

    - make links to areas inside flash movie

    - deactivate mouse over where it's not intended.

    - fix homepage title (not showing up)

    - prevent e-mail harvesting by removing email link at the bottom

    - flashing welder pic hurt the eyes

    - clean up excessive white space in home page/site layout

    - colors might be too bright, "fake" metal look is dated and pinstriped graphics look like it's copying mac 10.1

    - optimize images

    - code might be excessive

    - be sure to get to product pic and description right away on product pages

    - remove site admin link (don't encourage hackers)

    - make product pages url "main.22.7.8.22.0.0.html" more descriptive

    I'm using a custom cms, if anyone knows how to incorporate urls that look like "sumner.com/product/lifts/fab-mate/main.html" instead of "sumner.com/sumner/sub/productb/main.22.7.8.22.0.0.html" I would sure appreciate a link or tutorial on the matter. Thanks again!

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    The only thing I see that doesn't seem to have been mentioned is that putting shadows on those three boxes (the ones with the yellow header bar) might look good. Make it css though, or else it's only going to make your load time worse.

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    Hi adam, I was gunna mention a couple things, but I think they allready been said mostly.

    - clean up excessive white space in home page/site layout

    this can be fixed by just making the left navigation bar come down lower on the screen, then the white space wouldnt stick out so much, the links look funny just floating in space there.

    - flashing welder pic hurt the eyes

    I think this is a nice effect, but have the welder pause every so often then restart, to give the user a rest, besides, wat welder actually welds constantly and doenst stop to check his work

    - Also, when I mouse-over the logo I get this light blue rectangular bar at the bottom of the logo

    This is a definate problem, the blue box is BIG and looks bad, need to fix this one pronto

    - colors might be too bright, "fake" metal look is dated and pinstriped graphics look like it's copying mac 10.1

    I think this comment is rubbish (no offense intended), I like the colors, they are bright, catch the attention and the metal looks good, goes with the welding theme. You could improve the realism of the metal finish I guess, but then it wouldnt match with the blue and yellow.

    My two cents,
    Dwayne

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    Otherwise it looks nice, I would try to limit the number of javascripts on the navigation and replace it with CSS. Nice job, keep up the good work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk
    0074table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">[1]^[2]^<td class="tdside1"><table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
    ----:[1]^Error: missing start tag <tr>.

    0082div class="back09a">[3]^</div></td>
    ----:[3]^Repair: trimming empty <div> element.
    0123div class="back09b">[4]^</div></td>
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    Otherwise it looks nice, I would try to limit the number of javascripts on the navigation and replace it with CSS. Nice job, keep up the good work

    Which page is this from? the home page?

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    yes

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    The flash is distracting especially when you are reading the text. In your introduction your one sentence doesn't flow right-

    Made of the best material and backed by the Sumner name, we help you to do your job safer and more easily.

    Made of the best material and backed by the Sumner name. We help you do your job safer and easier.

    or..

    We help you expedite your job with efficiency, and accuracy.




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    It looks like a template I've seen somewhere before. Nonetheless, it's a clean organized design. Can't give you many points for originality or creativity. Seems pretty cookie-cutter to me.

    -Mason


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